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bear off cube....etc etc etc

Posted By: neilkaz
Date: Monday, 20 June 2011, at 4:09 a.m.

In Response To: bear off cube (rambiz)

Trivial take by my methods as follows:

1) I know that 8 on the ace pt vs 001112 (from the ace pt out and totalling 24 pips) is the point of last take for 5 checkers. Here 002210 is only slightly worse.




White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 24
Unlimited Game
Jacoby Beaver
pip: 8
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=-H-----------------baaa---:1:1:1:00:0:0:3:0:10
Blue on roll, cube action?

Analyzed in Rollout No redouble Redouble/Take
Player Winning Chances: 74.826% (G:0.000% B:0.000%) 74.772% (G:0.000% B:0.000%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 25.174% (G:0.000% B:0.000%) 25.228% (G:0.000% B:0.000%)
Cubeless Equities +0.4965 +0.9909
Cubeful Equities
No redouble:+0.7362 (-0.1850)±0.0003 (+0.7359..+0.7365)
Redouble/Take:+0.9212±0.0008 (+0.9204..+0.9220)
Redouble/Pass:+1.0000 (+0.0788)
Best Cube action: Redouble / Take
Rollout details
5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 83467239
Moves and cube decisions: XG Roller++
Double Decision confidence:100.0%
Take Decision confidence:100.0%
Duration: 1.3 seconds

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.00.168.beta

2) White's position is clearly worse than 8 on the ace pt so this is a trivial take.

3) Now for the hard part..is White's position worse by enough to make the recube incorrect? Noting that the recube is correct by lots here, I think it is probably still correct since White's EPC can't be much worse than 1 or more likely 1.5 pips added to 8 on the ace pt.

Ohh... how long ago did I know about my reference position? Almost 30 years ago !! I rolled it out 500 times and it came out a .95 take and it also fit my math and extrapolation of math and RO's for 3 roll speed boards vs pips when considering 2 roll speed boards.

But WTF !! What a dufus I was !! ROFL..I had written a simple (Fortran 77) program for 1 checker races and knew enough from discussions with Danny Kleinmen that they slightly overestimated the trailer's chances due to wastage. I'd even approximated recube effects by settling. Net result was I knew 100 pips vs 112 was a take and vs 113 a pass which was nice since most "pros" then took with 100 vs 115. (Insert 10000000 smilies in line at BK)

Anyhow..HTF difficult would it have been for me to change a few lines of code for speed board doubles where any double works?!... well with age comes wisdom and anyhow about 7 years later I had a real good race program.

.. neilkaz ..

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