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Trading freedom for security

Posted By: Achim
Date: Monday, 6 August 2007, at 1:20 p.m.

In Response To: Even more big brother? (very OT) (Bill Riles)

In other words ...

A German female citizen was _not_ arrested for 6 hours at the airport of Atlanta, because a homeland security guard didn't like here Amazon wish list?

A US Senator was _not_ on the T.R.I.P. grey list?

A two year old boy wasn't held back at an airport because he was on a dubious terror list? (Even his birthday was correct, and the stupid guards didn't notice that.)

The estimation of the International Red Cross, that _at least_ 90% of the "citizens" of Guantanamo are wrongly suspected regarding any terrorists activities is wrong? Bad luck for those who stay there for more then 4 years without being allowed to consult a lawyer, without any official accusal.

There is _no_ "OFAC" list that makes life difficult for a lot of US citizens regarding loans, credit cards, etc. because their name sounds similar to a name on this list?

I'm sorry to say so, but democracy lives because of the separation of powers, here in Germany and also in the U.S.A. I'm scared because of the "laws/bills" that are adopted and how they are adopted, not because of any media stories.

There are human rights, but I see them disappearing rapidly in the U.S.A.

C'mon, wake up!

Ciao

acepoint

PS. Did you read Al Gore's latest book?

PPS. One of your famous founders (B.Franklin) said some really true words: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.

Messages In This Thread

• Even more big brother? (very OT)
  Achim -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 11:07 a.m.
  • Even more big brother? (very OT)
    Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 12:39 p.m.
    • Trading freedom for security
      Achim -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 1:20 p.m.
      • Trading freedom for security
        Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 1:25 p.m.
        • Trading freedom for security
          Achim -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 1:31 p.m.
        • Trading freedom for security (very OT)
          MaX -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 4:03 p.m.
          • Trading freedom for security (very OT)
            Achim -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 5:57 p.m.
            • Trading freedom for security (very OT)
              Steve Mellen -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 9:49 p.m.
              • Trading freedom for security (very OT)
                Achim -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 11:29 p.m.
                • Trading freedom for security (very OT)
                  Steve Mellen -- Tuesday, 7 August 2007, at 6:26 p.m.
    • Even more big brother? (very OT)
      Stick -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 7:08 p.m.
    • Even more big brother? (very OT)
      Frank Berger -- Monday, 6 August 2007, at 8:22 p.m.
    • Even more big brother? (very OT)
      John O'Hagan -- Tuesday, 7 August 2007, at 1:27 a.m.
      • Orwell that Ends Well?
        Stick -- Tuesday, 7 August 2007, at 3:13 a.m.
        • Orwell that Ends Well?
          John O'Hagan -- Tuesday, 7 August 2007, at 4:39 a.m.
          • Orwell that Ends Well?
            MaX -- Tuesday, 7 August 2007, at 6:56 a.m.
            • Orwell that Ends Well?
              Achim -- Tuesday, 7 August 2007, at 8:32 a.m.
          • Orwell that Ends Well?
            Stick -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 4:30 a.m.
  • big brother is alive an well in europe
    garyo -- Tuesday, 7 August 2007, at 5:44 p.m.
    • big brother is alive an well in europe
      Achim -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 11:56 a.m.
      • big brother is alive an well in europe
        Daniel Murphy -- Saturday, 25 August 2007, at 9:53 p.m.
        • big brother is alive an well in europe
          Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 25 August 2007, at 10:20 p.m.
          • big brother is alive an well in europe
            Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 27 August 2007, at 8:41 p.m.
  • My turn
    Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 5:00 p.m.
    • My turn
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 5:48 p.m.
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        Matt Reklaitis -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 6:36 p.m.
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        Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 7:37 p.m.
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          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 8:50 p.m.
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            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 9:23 p.m.
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            Achim -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 9:30 p.m.
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            Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 9 August 2007, at 3:48 p.m.
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          Matt Reklaitis -- Wednesday, 8 August 2007, at 9:03 p.m.
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            Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 9 August 2007, at 2:37 p.m.
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        mamabear -- Thursday, 9 August 2007, at 12:31 a.m.
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          Havard Raddum -- Thursday, 9 August 2007, at 3:10 a.m.
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    MaX -- Thursday, 9 August 2007, at 1:26 p.m.