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Two Stage Timing

Posted By: Colin Owen
Date: Monday, 15 October 2012, at 5:02 a.m.

In Response To: Two Stage Timing (Bob Koca)

I think that the idea of being able to stop the clock after rolling cocked dice sounds fine in practice, but could have drawbacks. A player, very low on reserve time could, after a minimal shake (or none) deliberately roll into a mass of chequers. Dice cocked, he stops the clock, then gives the dice a nice, long (and for him, relaxing) shake - with the clock frozen of course. Perhaps he manages to roll cocked again. The tournament has to proceed. Where do you draw the line?

An analogy: In students written examinations, if a candidate has a disability that affects their ability to write, then they can be given extra time, or assigned an amanuensis to write the script. Conversely, if a student does not have a disability, but is simply slower at writing than most then they are indeed at a disadvantage - and the only way they can address this is to practice writing faster.

Equally, in bg tournaments, a TD can assign players with certain disabilities a longer delay time, as he sees fit - or dispense with clocks altogether. Those able bodied players who simply struggle to get the dice into the rolling area or won't stop shaking (and I'm probably referring to the dice here) do not really deserve extra time. The cack-handed should practice rolling.

Clearly, such players would be wise to keep at least a few seconds in reserve, but I think that the best way to deal with the possibility of them actually timing out in this way it is to allow a longer delay time - but preferably only near the end of a players reserve time, in the form of a secondary (last chance saloon) timing phase. The fact that most clocks currently in use for bg don't have this facility need not preclude its adoption in future. And at least some clocks can handle it - which is more than can be said of some of the new timing systems proposed in this thread.

Messages In This Thread

• Peoria Clock Discussion
  Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 5:32 p.m.
  • Peoria Clock Discussion
    Leonardo Jerkovic -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 5:40 p.m.
  • Peoria Clock Discussion
    neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 6:16 p.m.
    • Peoria Clock Discussion
      Leonardo Jerkovic -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 12:13 a.m.
  • Clock Discussion
    garyo -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 7:29 p.m.
  • Peoria Clock Discussion
    Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 8:48 p.m.
    • Peoria Clock Discussion
      Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 8:54 p.m.
      • Peoria Clock Discussion
        Victor Ashkenazi -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 9:22 p.m.
        • Peoria Clock Discussion
          Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 9:40 p.m.
          • Peoria Clock Discussion
            Stick -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 9:45 p.m.
            • Peoria Clock Discussion
              Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 10:20 p.m.
              • Peoria Clock Discussion
                Stick -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 10:23 p.m.
                • Peoria Clock Discussion
                  Victor Ashkenazi -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 10:40 p.m.
                  • Peoria Clock Discussion
                    Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 8:16 a.m.
            • Peoria Clock Discussion
              Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 12:04 a.m.
              • Peoria Clock Discussion
                Stick -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 3:51 a.m.
              • Peoria Clock Discussion
                Stick -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 10:05 a.m.
          • Peoria Clock Discussion
            Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 9:46 p.m.
            • Peoria Clock Discussion
              Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 9:49 p.m.
        • Peoria Clock Discussion
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 2:39 a.m.
          • Peoria Clock Discussion
            Stick -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 3:52 a.m.
          • Peoria Clock Discussion
            Christian Munk-Christensen -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 6:30 a.m.
          • Peoria Clock Discussion
            Victor Ashkenazi -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 1:37 p.m.
            • Peoria Clock Discussion
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 10:43 p.m.
              • Peoria Clock Discussion
                Victor Ashkenazi -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 3:23 a.m.
                • +1 *NM*
                  Ken Meng -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 7:31 p.m.
        • Peoria Clock Discussion
          neilkaz -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 6:34 p.m.
  • Peoria Clock Discussion
    Henrik Bukkjaer -- Tuesday, 9 October 2012, at 8:54 p.m.
  • Better with better testimony
    Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 10 October 2012, at 11:30 p.m.
    • Better with better testimony
      sunny -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 3:30 a.m.
  • Peoria Clock Discussion
    David Rockwell -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 3:34 a.m.
    • Two Stage Timing
      Colin Owen -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 12:28 p.m.
      • Two Stage Timing
        Bob Koca -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 1:55 p.m.
        • Two Stage Timing
          Colin Owen -- Monday, 15 October 2012, at 5:02 a.m.
      • Two Stage Timing
        neilkaz -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 5:51 p.m.
        • Two-Stage Timing
          Taper_Mike -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 6:03 p.m.
          • Two-Stage Timing
            Colin Owen -- Monday, 15 October 2012, at 5:54 a.m.
            • Two-Stage Timing
              Taper_Mike -- Wednesday, 17 October 2012, at 10:47 a.m.
    • Peoria Clock Discussion
      Henrik Bukkjaer -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 1:27 p.m.
      • Peoria Clock Discussion
        Colin Owen -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 12:37 a.m.
    • Clocks that "give back" time
      Tom Keith -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 2:02 p.m.
      • Clocks that "give back" time
        Stick -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 2:15 p.m.
        • Clocks that "give back" time
          Tom Keith -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 2:32 p.m.
      • Clocks that "give back" time
        Bob Koca -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 4:20 p.m.
        • Clocks that "give back" time
          Tom Keith -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 5:17 p.m.
          • Clocks that "give back" time
            Bob Koca -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 7:27 p.m.
            • Clocks that "give back" time
              Tom Keith -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 7:48 p.m.
      • Clocks that "give back" time
        Bob Koca -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 4:22 p.m.
        • Clocks that "give back" time
          Tom Keith -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 5:21 p.m.
      • -1
        neilkaz -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 5:41 p.m.
      • Fischer time settings
        eXtreme Gammon -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 8:10 p.m.
    • Peoria Clock Discussion
      Taper_Mike -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 4:10 p.m.
      • Peoria Clock Discussion
        Bob Koca -- Thursday, 11 October 2012, at 4:18 p.m.
        • Peoria Clock Discussion
          Taper_Mike -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 6:25 p.m.
          • Peoria Clock Discussion
            Michael Nielsen -- Saturday, 13 October 2012, at 8:41 a.m.
          • Peoria Clock Discussion
            Bob Koca -- Saturday, 13 October 2012, at 2:55 p.m.
            • Peoria Clock Discussion
              Taper_Mike -- Wednesday, 17 October 2012, at 10:27 a.m.
    • Peoria Clock Discussion
      David Rockwell -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 2:24 a.m.
      • Peoria Clock Discussion
        neilkaz -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 3:34 p.m.
  • Peoria Clock Discussion
    Stick -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 2:00 a.m.
    • Peoria Clock Discussion
      falafel -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 8:05 a.m.
      • Peoria Clock Discussion
        Stick -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 8:14 a.m.
  • Peoria Clock Discussion
    Sam Pottle -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 4:12 a.m.
  • peripheral issue?
    Chuck Bower -- Friday, 12 October 2012, at 5:08 p.m.