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A "new" idea (?)
Posted By: neilkaz In Response To: A "new" idea (?) (Barry Silliman)
Date: Friday, 5 September 2008, at 7:44 p.m.
(B)I haven't got the impression from any of the pro-clock posts that anybody wants to do this. In fact, I think a majority of opinion may even be in favor of relaxing the current ABT settings (2 min. per pt/ 12 seconds grace) a bit, e.g. (2.5 / 15).(NK) I am proposing 2/15. It's more comfortable and calmer to play with 15 sec than 12, but 2 min/game //ie 18 min for a 9 pt match is plenty of time. I'd prefer 1.5/15 and would happily play at 1/15 but many players wouldn't and we don't need to speed BG up this much.
(B)I really enjoy going to the ABT events, I usually go to just a few each year, those I can drive to. (I've done enough flying for work in years past and the TSA has just taken all the fun out of flying, but that's another story). (NK) flying sucks
(B)But it seems like the last couple ABTs I've gone to, I've had really long waits between matches, e.g. sometimes 5 or more hours. E.g. on Saturday at 2:30 pm I'm waiting on a match and it gets to be the 5:00 dinner break and I'm still waiting and then another hour or more after play resumes at 7:00. I'm just thinking that the use of clocks just might shorten the delay a little bit. (Maybe not "advancing" so quickly to the Last Chance bracket might help a little too).
(NK) issues occur in the conso which might be 7 pts, with players feeding in from the main playing 11 pters. Just a few years ago, I lost quickly in rd 1, caught a bye in the conso and quickly beat my conso opp and the next one, who was quickly ready (they may have had conso byes also) and this was by 2:30PM. (We started about noon)I then looked at the draw sheet and had to wait for 3 rounds of the main to finish for an opp to come down to play me noting that match 1 had not finished and these were the two slowest players in the room and neither had gotten one of the many byes. I came back from dinner at 7PM and no match was close to ready for me. At 10 PM I was told I could go to bed. I returned to play at 11 AM as scheduled, but no opp was available for me until 2 PM ! (This being a 3 day event so time not an issue). Issues in excessive waiting for matches occur when there's lots of byes. Nothing is worse than at many typical ABT events than waiting excessively long for your opp to feed into conso, and then having to play a match starting at midnight, and then since you're still a round behind what is needed to start the LC at 11 AM, your told to play the next conso match at 10 AM (or heaven forbid 9:30 Sunday)...all while the director doesn't believe in clocks. Better is to have a progressive LC (thereby freeing up lots of losing players) or to feed a couple more from the conso who don't get a prize into rd 2 or rd 3 of the LC. This will mean that there's less reasons to play really late on Saturday or start too early on Sunday. (NK) Once again when the long waits, then late nights, and early mornings occur, it is most often do to unclocked slow play of a couple of players holding up the entire event. Things are getting better now as clocks are getting used a bit, and a couple players will police for really slow play in delayed spots on the drawsheet and tell the director.
(B) One time at a tourney on a Sunday I was in last chance, and we were way behind, holding up the brackets. My opponent was excruciatingly slow, the kind who would agonize over an opening 53, e.g. The director came over to our table 2 or 3 times and encouraged us to speed up our match or he would put us on the clock. I didn't say anything any time because it sure wasn't me holding things up. Well, I wound up losing that match, and then my opponent's next match was put on the clock from the start. He lost, and I thought, gee I wish our match had been clocked. I guess I could have told the director the first time he came over to go ahead and clock us, but I didn't. (NK) Your director screwed up here and should've clocked immediately. Lacking that, he needed to determine who the slow poke was and to tell him "speed it up". Fortunately most directors are doing a reasonable job of getting after slow play nowadays.
(B) Anyway, the point is, the director was in a subjective situation, "clocks may be required for slow play", and he didn't want to be a bad guy and put the clock on in the middle of the match, but if clocks are just simply part of the process, then it becomes an objective situation with less need for the directors to make a subjective judgment call. Nobody needs to feel that they are being singled out for mistreatment or arbitrary decisions by the director. (NK) Agreed
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