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Posted By: Matt Cohn-Geier In Response To: help (pontiac)
Date: Saturday, 13 September 2008, at 2:57 p.m.
ok in fact it is hard to believe in one could count in 10sec or less may be rainman counts.. if a man has such a brain he doesnt play backgammon for years to become an expert he can earn much much money and everything .. since we all play it years to become experts this means we are normal not genious :) i think counting takes at least 20 or more seconds even for best players ..
10 seconds actually isn't particularly fast. I would say it's about average. I've seen some guys come up with the pip count in about 2 seconds. No idea how they do it, unless they cheat like Stick. I've never been able to count pips that fast.
anyway the question i want to know is why we count? count and than? which method do you use in which position? kleinman or keith, ward? and what is epc ? in bear offs it is diff. and in bear in it is also diff. may be 8-9-12 is enough .. nearly all of them use kleinman when i read posts, is it good enough or best? but keith says his method is best :)
I use 8-9-12 or 10%+1 (in races >62), Trice's -5, /7 (in races <62), Keith count in short races, and EPC when there's a lot of wastage (e.g. n-roll position vs. x). EPC is great but a lot harder than the others to employ.
and also ask to Neil, if it is no more imp to count exact pips, you count generally the difference and what can you do with it? you couldnt adjust kleinman or keith etc. to do this half count? than what do you decide to do? guess or use your sense for adjust?
I think Neil's point is that if you're in a short bearoff and you're behind by 12 pips, doing a Keith count isn't going to miraculously change a giant drop into a take. If it comes down to a position that is close, then you should do an absolute count. But most positions aren't close.
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