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Who doesn't like examples
Posted By: Stick In Response To: Ten Things I Hate About the BG Experience (Stick)
Date: Tuesday, 28 October 2008, at 7:57 a.m.
From one of my recent money round matches where if I win I get over 2k, I lose I hover around the $0 mark. This is an example of the kind of play I hate beating me. (these are plays I had from pictures, imagine if the match was recorded)
The score (after 0 games) is: user 2, gnubg 3 (match to 11 points)
Move number 3: user on roll, cube decision?
user 134
gnubg 131 Position ID: mjuDATBmd8AABw Match ID: MAFgASAAGAAA
• user doubles
Cube decision Rollout cubeless equity +0.4235 (Money: +0.4072) Cubeful equities: 1. No double +0.6559 2. Double, pass +1.0000 +0.3441 3. Double, take +0.6285 -0.0274 Proper cube action: No double, take (7.4%) Rollout details
Win W g W bg Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful Centered 1-cube 0.6360 0.2252 0.0079 - 0.3640 0.0926 0.0052 +0.4235 +0.6559 Standard error 0.0015 0.0023 0.0007 - 0.0015 0.0014 0.0010 0.0042 0.0108 Player gnubg owns 2-cube 0.6433 0.2257 0.0071 - 0.3567 0.0918 0.0061 +0.8853 +0.6285 Standard error 0.0017 0.0025 0.0007 - 0.0017 0.0017 0.0011 0.0093 0.0128 Full cubeful rollout with var.redn. 1111 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 835406924 and quasi-random dice Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class] keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16 Skip pruning for 1-ply moves. Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
He cubed, I take, not really a bad cube but one I prefer not to throw if I was in his shoes, the take is such a snore I'd rather try to tick off a small improvement and give my opponent a real decision. Good thing he cubed though because...
The score (after 0 games) is: user 2, gnubg 3 (match to 11 points)
Move number 5: user to play 55
user 134
gnubg 131 Position ID: mjuDATBmd8AABw Match ID: EYF2ASAAGAAA
• user moves 13/3(2)
# Ply Move Equity 1 2 21/11 21/16(2) +0.4914 0.7190 0.1751 0.0086 - 0.2810 0.0572 0.0012 • 2 2 13/3(2) +0.4379 ( -0.0535) 0.6743 0.2455 0.0094 - 0.3257 0.0798 0.0023 How can you make that play? Puke - I'm impressed it's only a .05 error, perhaps it would roll out larger but I'm not wasting the time.
The score (after 0 games) is: user 4, gnubg 5 (match to 11 points)
Move number 3: gnubg on roll, cube decision?
user 55
gnubg 48 Position ID: 29cmAAC7ZwcAAA Match ID: cAlgAUAAKAAA
• gnubg doubles
Cube decision 2-ply cubeless equity +0.6053 (Money: +0.6053) 0.8027 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.1973 0.0000 0.0000 Cubeful equities: 1. Double, pass +1.0000 2. Double, take +1.1682 +0.1682 3. No double +0.8950 -0.1050 Proper cube action: Double, pass
I double here and he takes? Of course he takes...then he rolls 66, then he gets in a recube that's a monster take before I lose the game. Instead of winning 1 as standard outcome, I lose 4.
The score (after 0 games) is: user 2, gnubg 1 (match to 11 points)
Move number 3: user on roll, cube decision?
user 137
gnubg 138 Position ID: jLcLATDMXoMBMA Match ID: MAFgASAACAAA
• user doubles
Cube decision Rollout cubeless equity +0.3274 (Money: +0.3308) Cubeful equities: 1. No double +0.4176 2. Double, pass +1.0000 +0.5824 3. Double, take +0.2987 -0.1189 Proper cube action: No double, take (17.0%) Rollout details
Win W g W bg Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful Centered 1-cube 0.6031 0.2343 0.0197 - 0.3969 0.1220 0.0074 +0.3274 +0.4176 Standard error 0.0016 0.0018 0.0009 - 0.0016 0.0014 0.0006 0.0043 0.0104 Player gnubg owns 2-cube 0.6057 0.2329 0.0214 - 0.3943 0.1176 0.0084 +0.6536 +0.2987 Standard error 0.0020 0.0022 0.0012 - 0.0020 0.0015 0.0007 0.0107 0.0156 Full cubeful rollout with var.redn. 1296 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 835382625 and quasi-random dice Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class] keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16 Skip pruning for 1-ply moves. Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
He cubed me here ... hmm... yea.
These are things you'll see in any given weekend at the ABT and I was still able to get to DMP before losing this match. I hope it provided a bit of entertainment for you, I know it didn't for me at the time.
Stick
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