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Beating the dead horse

Posted By: Jason Lee
Date: Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:16 p.m.

In Response To: Beating the dead horse (Rich Munitz)

I am still very concerned that stories like this that seem to be coming out of each and every tournament will serve to taint the public's perception of clock play. I am now officially a proponent of 2.5/12 for the 2010 year as clocks get rolled out to the mainstream. Let people get used to it. See if tournaments still run on schedule. Tighten it up if delays result. But don't turn people off of clocks by making them play under these conditions from the outset. Even if it is their own fault.

Sorry, I disagree. There have been scads of matches played in recent ABT events at 2/12. Timeouts are rare. Time pressures are usually a result of actual slow play, or slow mechanics (8 seconds to roll the dice), or misunderstanding what real time pressure is (witness my story a while back about Hugh Sconyers in LA).

If you think the time control should ultimately be 2.5/12, then that's a different argument. But I do not like the idea of playing now under one time control and then changing it. People don't have THAT much trouble with the mechanics. What they're getting used to is the appropriate pace for 2/12.

JLee

Messages In This Thread

• Awkward Clock Situation
  Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 4:56 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    David Rockwell -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:10 p.m.
    • Awkward Clock Situation
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:30 p.m.
      • Awkward Clock Situation
        Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:40 p.m.
        • Awkward Clock Situation
          Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:18 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Chuck Bower -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:19 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:44 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:49 p.m.
    • Awkward Clock Situation
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:57 p.m.
      • Awkward Clock Situation
        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:10 p.m.
        • Awkward Clock Situation
          Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 10:12 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Petter Bengtsson -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:52 p.m.
    • Awkward Clock Situation
      Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:55 p.m.
      • Awkward Clock Situation
        Petter Bengtsson -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:01 p.m.
        • Awkward Clock Situation
          Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:15 p.m.
          • Awkward Clock Situation
            neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
          • Awkward Clock Situation
            Chuck Bower -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:07 p.m.
          • Awkward Clock Situation
            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:15 p.m.
            • Awkward Clock Situation
              Chuck Bower -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:58 p.m.
            • Awkward Clock Situation
              Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:59 p.m.
  • Beating the dead horse
    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:09 p.m.
    • Beating the dead horse
      Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:16 p.m.
      • Beating the dead horse
        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:01 p.m.
        • Beating the dead horse
          Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:17 p.m.
          • Beating the dead horse
            neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:22 p.m.
            • Beating the dead horse
              Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:54 p.m.
        • Beating the dead horse
          Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:23 p.m.
          • Beating the dead horse
            neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:39 p.m.
            • Beating the dead horse
              Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:06 p.m.
              • Beating the dead horse
                Bob Koca -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:13 p.m.
              • Beating the dead horse
                neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:21 p.m.
                • Beating the dead horse
                  Chuck Bower -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:03 p.m.
    • Beating the dead horse
      joe freedman -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:45 p.m.
      • Beating the dead horse
        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:10 p.m.
        • Beating the dead horse
          playBunny -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 11:35 a.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    David -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:27 p.m.
  • Another Absurd Failure
    lenny -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 11:03 p.m.
    • Pardon me, but I must ask whether you've actually played BG using a Bronstein clock? *NM*
      neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 11:23 p.m.
      • You're Excused; And No
        lenny -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 3:13 a.m.
        • You're Excused; And No
          dc-ohio -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 11:55 a.m.
          • Find The Right Comparison
            lenny -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 1:13 a.m.
            • You Find The Right Comparison...
              dc-ohio -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 4:20 a.m.
              • You Find The Right Comparison...
                jdg -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 3:01 p.m.
                • You Find The Right Comparison...
                  Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 3:34 p.m.
              • No; Poker Not A TV Phenomenon
                lenny -- Thursday, 9 July 2009, at 6:42 a.m.
                • No; Poker Not A TV Phenomenon
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Friday, 10 July 2009, at 7:29 p.m.
        • Angle shooting and Bronstein clocks
          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 2:35 p.m.
          • Angle shooting and Bronstein clocks
            Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 4:16 p.m.
            • Good post, Rich
              Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 5:04 p.m.
            • Directors Proceeding With Discretion . . .
              lenny -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 1:04 a.m.
              • Directors Proceeding With Discretion . . .
                Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 1:24 a.m.
                • Except Problems Aren't Prevented . . .
                  lenny -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 8:57 a.m.
                  • Except Problems Aren't Prevented . . .
                    Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 2:00 p.m.
                  • Except Problems Aren't Prevented . . .
                    neilkaz -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 3:06 p.m.
                  • Except Problems Aren't Prevented . . .
                    Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 4:14 p.m.
                    • You're Not Growing
                      lenny -- Thursday, 9 July 2009, at 6:32 a.m.
    • Another Absurd Failure
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 11:34 p.m.
    • Another Absurd Failure
      Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 12:37 a.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 4:40 a.m.
    • Awkward Clock Situation
      Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 2:11 p.m.
  • Perhaps, since this was the FINAL
    garyo -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 11:46 p.m.