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After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1

Posted By: joe freedman
Date: Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 9:18 p.m.

In Response To: After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1 (Chuck Bower)

Stick has asked the right question: "To me it's what it adds or detracts to the game on this issue." Of course, not everyone will agree on how baffle boxes, tubes, and hand-recording matches add or detract to the game. In my view, there are real detractions, especially for local clubs and minor tournaments. Many newer, casual, and traditional players will be repelled by these devices, which can connote an undesirable degree of "seriousness". Also, the repetitive motion of raising one's arm with a loaded dice cup above the baffle box can cause physical issues. (Unfortunately, I'm not joking about this.) Preventive measures, as well as punishment, should to fit the crime. Anti-cheating measures, like anti-crime measures in general, need to fit the problem they are designed to address. In some neighborhoods, it makes sense to install security alarms and barred windows despite the associated hassles; in other neighborhoods it does not. Requiring the use of lipped cups, precision dice, and vigorous (up and down) shaking should be sufficient to prevent cheating in almost all cases. If it is known or strongly suspected that people are cheating despite that, then their matches should be monitored. Anyone caught cheating (especially by switching in loaded dice) should be expelled from the tournament and barred from all future tournaments. Also, If people are capable of manufacturing loaded "precision" dice with embossed serial numbers, then I would guess they are also capable of manufacturing a facisimile of whatever tube is used and switching it in (with loaded dice) at the appropriate moment.

Obviously, cheating must be prevented, with a zero-tolerance problem. We just need to be aware that some "cures" may be as bad as the disease.

Messages In This Thread

• After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
  Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:00 a.m.
  • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
    Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:10 a.m.
    • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
      Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:26 a.m.
      • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
        Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:12 a.m.
        • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
          garyo -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:33 a.m.
      • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 12:23 p.m.
        • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
          Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 1:00 p.m.
  • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 2
    Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:11 a.m.
    • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 2
      Jon -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 7:57 a.m.
      • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 2
        Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:17 a.m.
  • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
    Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:52 a.m.
    • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
      neilkaz -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:59 a.m.
      • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again *NM*
        ed olaughlin -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:36 a.m.
        • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
          ed olaughlin -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:40 a.m.
          • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
            Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:13 a.m.
      • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
        Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 12:37 p.m.
        • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
          Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 1:41 p.m.
          • Backgammon elbow
            KenB -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:04 p.m.
        • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
          Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:49 p.m.
          • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
            Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 11:22 a.m.
            • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
              Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 12:30 p.m.
              • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
                Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 1:52 p.m.
              • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
                neilkaz -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 3:33 p.m.
            • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
              Jon -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 9:25 a.m.
              • One more reason
                joe freedman -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 11:38 a.m.
              • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
                Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 11:55 a.m.
                • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
                  Jon -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 1:16 p.m.
                  • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
                    Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 2:11 p.m.
                    • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
                      Jon -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 3:14 p.m.
          • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
            Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 3:08 a.m.
            • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
              Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 2:08 p.m.
              • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
                Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 2:48 p.m.
              • Yes re cups with baffle boxes..YES and YES again
                Jason Lee -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 2:59 p.m.
    • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
      neilkaz -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:02 a.m.
      • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
        sonrik -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:06 a.m.
      • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
        Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:56 a.m.
      • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
        Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:05 a.m.
        • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
          Chris Knapp -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:10 p.m.
          • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
            Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 3:06 a.m.
      • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
        Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:32 a.m.
        • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
          Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 12:20 p.m.
          • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
            Jon -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 1:50 p.m.
            • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
              Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 1:53 p.m.
              • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
                Jon -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 7:46 p.m.
                • The idea is baffle box, cups, one set of dice (ie clocks)
                  neilkaz -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:40 p.m.
          • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
            Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:04 p.m.
            • If we played BG with a baffle tube and touch move and a clock...
              Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 3:02 a.m.
    • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
      Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:03 a.m.
      • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 12:14 p.m.
    • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
      Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 1:42 p.m.
      • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 1:50 p.m.
    • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
      Coolrey -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:12 p.m.
      • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
        Brad Baker -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:11 p.m.
  • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
    Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:00 a.m.
    • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
      Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
  • After Madison, my feelings on the baffle-tube, Part 1
    joe freedman -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 9:18 p.m.