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ruling in Madison

Posted By: Matt Cohn-Geier
Date: Friday, 11 September 2009, at 5:58 a.m.

In Response To: ruling in Madison (Gregg Cattanach)

It IS part of the game whether you want it to be or not. People WILL make illegal plays, inadvertently, (99% of the time, IMO) or not. The question is what should be the opponent's correct response? No penalty for the illegal player at all by letting him correct it every time (legal plays)? Or a potential penalty with the current rules. Which makes more sense?

The current penalty doesn't work. There is actually an incentive to make an advantageous illegal play if you are on a clock since you get more time. And it's always at least break even to make an advantageous illegal play in unclocked matches.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. An attempt to gain equity by an illegal play will almost always be caught and reversed.

This is definitely not true. I know of several advantageous illegal plays that occurred this weekend that stood. One happened in a doubles match. Two of the players involved were Giants. All of the spectators saw it (about 10 or so), apparently none of the players did.

A successful attempt to 'not see' a bad illegal play will NEVER be caught and reversed with a 'legal plays' rule.

What if spectators could kibitz? I don't know if anyone wants to codify that in the rules but I don't have a problem with people speaking up if I am playing someone I know has a legal moves agreement (Stick, Neil, Falafel, etc.).

Messages In This Thread

• ruling in Madison
  Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 1:37 a.m.
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    Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:02 a.m.
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      Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:33 a.m.
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        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:01 a.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:34 a.m.
          • ruling in Madison
            Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:20 a.m.
            • ruling in Madison
              mamabear -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 6:31 p.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Chuck Bower -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 4:05 p.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:48 a.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:20 a.m.
          • ruling in Madison
            Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:14 a.m.
  • ruling in Madison
    Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:04 a.m.
    • ruling in Madison
      neilkaz -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:08 a.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:30 a.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:21 a.m.
    • ruling in Madison
      Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:00 a.m.
  • ruling in Madison
    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 6:11 a.m.
  • ruling in Madison
    Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:25 a.m.
    • ruling in Madison
      Coolrey -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:22 p.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:51 p.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 11:31 a.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 4:21 a.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 12:54 p.m.
          • ruling in Madison
            Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 2:18 p.m.
            • ruling in Madison
              Jason Lee -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 2:53 p.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Phil Simborg -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 3:55 a.m.
            • ruling in Madison
              Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 4:04 p.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 4:18 p.m.
                • ruling in Madison
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 5:22 p.m.
                  • ruling in Madison
                    Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 9:25 p.m.
                    • ruling in Madison
                      Gregg Cattanach -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 12:40 p.m.
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                        Jason Lee -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 1:52 p.m.
                      • ruling in Madison
                        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 7:53 p.m.
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                          Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 12:22 p.m.
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                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 1:21 p.m.
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                              Bob Koca -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 5:08 p.m.
                              • ruling in Madison
                                Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 5:57 p.m.
                                • Surely you jest!
                                  Rich Munitz -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 7:24 p.m.
                                  • Surely you jest!
                                    Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
                                    • Surely you jest!
                                      Rich Munitz -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 10:59 p.m.
                                  • The real issue with kibs shouting out
                                    mamabear -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 9:13 p.m.
                                    • The real issue with kibs shouting out
                                      Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 3:37 a.m.
                                      • Monitors and Recorders
                                        mamabear -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 7:34 p.m.
                                        • Monitors and Recorders
                                          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 8:23 p.m.
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                                            Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 8:51 p.m.
                              • ruling in Madison
                                Tom Keith -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 6:00 p.m.
                              • ruling in Madison
                                Chuck Bower -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 9:13 p.m.
                          • ruling in Madison
                            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 7:39 p.m.
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                        Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 4:36 a.m.
                        • ruling in Madison
                          Tom Keith -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 2:42 p.m.
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                            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 5:48 p.m.
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                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 7:02 p.m.
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                  Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 8:13 p.m.
                  • ruling in Madison
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 5:51 a.m.
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                Tom Keith -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 8:13 p.m.
                • ruling in Madison
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
                  • ruling in Madison
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 5:58 a.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Phil Simborg -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 3:45 a.m.