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ruling in Madison

Posted By: Gregg Cattanach
Date: Friday, 11 September 2009, at 12:40 p.m.

In Response To: ruling in Madison (Chuck Bower)

First, I have heard nothing here that shows me that the ethical dilemma doesn't exist with legal plays, it does and it would. I've explained it quite clearly. If at DMP my opponent rolls, thinks he fans when he didn't, picks up his dice, and the difference is $10,000 in winnings between him entering or not, I HAVE a dilemma with a 'legal plays' rule. With the current rule, none exists.

If I always look away when my opponent rolls and moves, thus never gaining knowledge of whether his play is illegal or not, then obviously no dilemma occurs. But this is a nonsensical hypothetical, as it doesn't happen.

A 'legal plays' rule is unenforceable, thus it makes no sense.

If players want to agree to play 'legal plays' using today's rules, I have no problem with that whatsoever. The current rules don't prohibit such an agreement. But any attempt to write this into the rules will not work. It won't achieve what it intends, and there is no way to KNOW someone failed to follow the rule and no way to exact a penalty for the same.

And I STILL haven't heard one word explaining why of anyone in the room, *I* as my opponent's opponent should be required to correct his sloppy play.

End of thread for me. I haven't been convinced of anything with the various counter arguments.

Messages In This Thread

• ruling in Madison
  Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 1:37 a.m.
  • ruling in Madison
    Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:02 a.m.
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      Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:33 a.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:01 a.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:34 a.m.
          • ruling in Madison
            Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:20 a.m.
            • ruling in Madison
              mamabear -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 6:31 p.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Chuck Bower -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 4:05 p.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:48 a.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 4:20 a.m.
          • ruling in Madison
            Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:14 a.m.
  • ruling in Madison
    Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 2:04 a.m.
    • ruling in Madison
      neilkaz -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:08 a.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:30 a.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:21 a.m.
    • ruling in Madison
      Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:00 a.m.
  • ruling in Madison
    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 6:11 a.m.
  • ruling in Madison
    Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 11:25 a.m.
    • ruling in Madison
      Coolrey -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:22 p.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Stick -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 3:51 p.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 11:31 a.m.
      • ruling in Madison
        Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 4:21 a.m.
        • ruling in Madison
          Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 12:54 p.m.
          • ruling in Madison
            Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 2:18 p.m.
            • ruling in Madison
              Jason Lee -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 2:53 p.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Phil Simborg -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 3:55 a.m.
            • ruling in Madison
              Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 4:04 p.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 4:18 p.m.
                • ruling in Madison
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 5:22 p.m.
                  • ruling in Madison
                    Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 9:25 p.m.
                    • ruling in Madison
                      Gregg Cattanach -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 12:40 p.m.
                      • ruling in Madison
                        Jason Lee -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 1:52 p.m.
                      • ruling in Madison
                        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 7:53 p.m.
                        • ruling in Madison
                          Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 12:22 p.m.
                          • ruling in Madison
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 1:21 p.m.
                            • ruling in Madison
                              Bob Koca -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 5:08 p.m.
                              • ruling in Madison
                                Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 5:57 p.m.
                                • Surely you jest!
                                  Rich Munitz -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 7:24 p.m.
                                  • Surely you jest!
                                    Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
                                    • Surely you jest!
                                      Rich Munitz -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 10:59 p.m.
                                  • The real issue with kibs shouting out
                                    mamabear -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 9:13 p.m.
                                    • The real issue with kibs shouting out
                                      Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 3:37 a.m.
                                      • Monitors and Recorders
                                        mamabear -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 7:34 p.m.
                                        • Monitors and Recorders
                                          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 8:23 p.m.
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                                            Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 8:51 p.m.
                              • ruling in Madison
                                Tom Keith -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 6:00 p.m.
                              • ruling in Madison
                                Chuck Bower -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 9:13 p.m.
                          • ruling in Madison
                            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 7:39 p.m.
                      • ruling in Madison
                        Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 4:36 a.m.
                        • ruling in Madison
                          Tom Keith -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 2:42 p.m.
                          • ruling in Madison
                            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 5:48 p.m.
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                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 7:02 p.m.
                • ruling in Madison
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 8:13 p.m.
                  • ruling in Madison
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 5:51 a.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Tom Keith -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 8:13 p.m.
                • ruling in Madison
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
                  • ruling in Madison
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 5:58 a.m.
              • ruling in Madison
                Phil Simborg -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 3:45 a.m.