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Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?

Posted By: Chuck Bower
Date: Friday, 11 September 2009, at 9:55 p.m.

In Response To: Clocks + Random Dice Generator ? (Tom Keith)

Again, I don't see that either is clearcut. Both require trust.

As an example, right now we trust dice manufacturers. How many people (besides the obvious looking at the spots) could determine if they are fair?

For Max's device, is it sufficient to show that changing the seed produces a different sequence? Couldn't one side be programmed for biased dice in general, regardless of the seed entered? (Here I'm assuming something simple, like weighted dice. It is true that if you need an ace to hit and your dice have fewer than 1/6 aces you are screwing yourself in that instance. But in the long run...?) You might have to have a way to tell it which side you were playing -- toggling the on-off sequence for example. Or holding one plunger down for 3 seconds after turn-on (requiring the clock to be turned off-on before a 3 second hold-down would change the settings).

In any case it would take a lot of effort to re-engineer a working (fair) device. But even with the open system, it would help to trust the manufacturer in the first place, so it seems like we're back to that. Or is there an easy way to determine if the dice are unbiased that I'm missing?

Messages In This Thread

• Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
  MaX -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 10:52 a.m.
  • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
    Joe Russell -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 12:30 p.m.
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      Gregg Cattanach -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 2:36 p.m.
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        misja -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 2:49 p.m.
        • proper link
          misja -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 2:57 p.m.
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        MaX -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 2:49 p.m.
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        Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 13 September 2009, at 9:31 p.m.
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      MaX -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 2:40 p.m.
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    Tom Keith -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 1:15 p.m.
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      MaX -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 2:48 p.m.
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    Bob Koca -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 3:41 p.m.
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      Tom Keith -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
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      MaX -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 8:44 a.m.
  • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
    Chuck Bower -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 5:29 p.m.
    • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
      Tom Keith -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 6:33 p.m.
      • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
        Chuck Bower -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 9:55 p.m.
        • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
          Bob Koca -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 10:05 p.m.
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            Rich Munitz -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 11:03 p.m.
        • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
          Tom Keith -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 10:32 p.m.
          • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
            Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 12:31 a.m.
            • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
              Tom Keith -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 1:35 a.m.
            • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
              Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 4:42 p.m.
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              MaX -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 9:32 a.m.
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        MaX -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 9:29 a.m.
  • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
    Jason Lee -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 6:45 p.m.
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      Sam Pottle -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 10:14 a.m.
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      MaX -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 8:56 a.m.
  • Would this method TOLERATE dice cheaters without eliminating dice?
    Rich Munitz -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 11:00 p.m.
    • Would this method TOLERATE dice cheaters without eliminating dice?
      Bob Koca -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 11:33 p.m.
    • Would this method TOLERATE dice cheaters without eliminating dice?
      Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 4:46 p.m.
      • Would this method TOLERATE dice cheaters without eliminating dice?
        Bob Koca -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 5:36 p.m.
      • Would this method TOLERATE dice cheaters without eliminating dice?
        Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 5:55 p.m.
        • Would this method TOLERATE dice cheaters without eliminating dice?
          Bob Koca -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 6:01 p.m.
          • Would this method TOLERATE dice cheaters without eliminating dice?
            Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 6:18 p.m.
    • Would this method TOLERATE dice cheaters without eliminating dice?
      MaX -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 10:31 a.m.
  • Clocks + Random Dice Generator ?
    Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 12 September 2009, at 3:57 a.m.