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An ethics issue raised in Paris?

Posted By: Bill Riles
Date: Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 2:50 p.m.

In Response To: An ethics issue raised in Paris? (Perry Gartner)

Ray always does things like this -- I think strictly from a sense of generosity and appreciation.

When he wins he usually takes the tournament staff to dinner and/or 'tips' the tournament staff from his winnings. He and Harvey Gillis organized a 'pass the hat' campaign in Colorado to help Lynda Clay with expenses. I believe he and Norm Wiggins have sponsored the trophies in LA before.

Others do similar things -- Frank Talbot has been a Michigan tourney sponsor for years.

I don't see any of these actions as other than what they are, nor as any cause for concern. We would be fortunate if others were as generous with their time, money, and thoughts.

I think it would quickly become very suspicious, and ultimately obvious, if a devious player and a duplicitous director colluded in any way. Thankfully, I don't see that happening -- at least among the players and directors with whom I am familiar (and I know Ray very well and Chiva fairly well -- and have considerable respect for both).

Messages In This Thread

• An ethics issue raised in Paris?
  Perry Gartner -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 2:15 p.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 2:25 p.m.
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      Max Urban -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 2:29 p.m.
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      Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 2:39 p.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 2:35 p.m.
    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
      Coolrey -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 7:24 p.m.
      • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
        Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 9:11 p.m.
        • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
          Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 10:09 p.m.
          • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
            Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 10:27 p.m.
            • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
              Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 10:34 p.m.
              • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 11:57 p.m.
                • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                  Strato -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 7:47 a.m.
                  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                    Steen Grønbech -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 10:33 a.m.
                    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 11:27 a.m.
                      • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                        jdg -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 1:40 p.m.
                        • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                          Rich Munitz -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 9:26 p.m.
                          • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                            Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 11:27 p.m.
                            • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                              Steen Grønbech -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 7:49 a.m.
                              • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                                Phil Simborg -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 12:34 p.m.
                                • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                                  Bob Koca -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 2:50 p.m.
                                  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                                    Phil Simborg -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 3:24 p.m.
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                                    Rich Munitz -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 6:03 p.m.
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                                      Joe Russell -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 11:59 p.m.
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                                        Chiva Tafazzoli -- Saturday, 7 November 2009, at 1:55 a.m.
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                                        Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 7 November 2009, at 9:35 a.m.
                              • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                                Timothy Chow -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 11:11 p.m.
                      • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                        Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 3:48 p.m.
                    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                      Daniel Murphy -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 2:53 p.m.
                  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                    Daniel Murphy -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 12:20 p.m.
                • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                  Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 2:26 p.m.
                  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                    Dan Pelton -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 9:38 a.m.
                    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                      Chuck Bower -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 2:56 p.m.
                      • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                        Phil Simborg -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 3:21 p.m.
                        • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                          Chuck Bower -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 5:57 p.m.
                      • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                        Dan Pelton -- Saturday, 7 November 2009, at 7:04 a.m.
              • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
                rew -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 12:40 p.m.
      • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
        Jason Lee -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 10:01 p.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 2:50 p.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    Steve Mellen -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 2:59 p.m.
    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
      Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 4:37 p.m.
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    Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 3:11 p.m.
    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
      neilkaz -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 3:18 p.m.
    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
      Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 7:36 p.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 4:16 p.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 5:31 p.m.
    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
      Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 7:15 p.m.
    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 10:52 p.m.
      • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
        Carter Mattig -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 4:36 a.m.
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    Alfred Mamlet -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 5:41 p.m.
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    Stick -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 5:41 p.m.
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    Marv Porten -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 6:19 p.m.
    • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
      Dan Pelton -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 5:31 a.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 7:32 p.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    Perry Gartner -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 3:06 a.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    Coolrey -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 7:01 p.m.
  • An ethics issue raised in Paris?
    J. Dawkins -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 11:24 p.m.