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A Puzzle that Reall matters

Posted By: Matt Cohn-Geier
Date: Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 11:27 p.m.

In Response To: A Puzzle that Reall matters (Phil Simborg)

When MCG was in our game, he was clearly the best, and I saw him take some really deep cubed to keep the box, and I questioned just how deep is correct...surely there is a point that is too deep...

Sometimes I just thought the position was a take (most cubes are takes and people tend to drop too many cubes). Sometimes I misevaluated the position. Often I felt that the position might not be a take with best play but I would easily make up more than enough given the way they would play it to make it a take. Sometimes I was just making a play to win the box due to the specific rotation or whatever. Sometimes it was a combination of those things.

The value of the box goes up dramatically as more players are in the chou (something like exponentially). And obviously it matters exactly how many cubes & at what level you have to take.

Coolrey: It may well be that you want to pass conservatively to avoid the box, Phil.

Sometimes I passed positions that I thought were technical takes (whether on the outside or in the captaincy/box) for various other reasons.

I am definitely not the best chouette player in the world but I have at least an awareness of the various factors. No idea how anyone would quantify or analyze them.

JR: I often play in the same non-consulting chouette with Steve Sax. When one of us is the captain and the other the box and the winner of the game will be rewarded with a line of weaker players coming up, it is not only right for us to take deeply to get the box but also to prevent the other from getting the box.

Say you are the box in a 3-handed chou. A very weak player is captain and Steve Sax is next up. The rotation is favorable if you pass but the captain will also butcher the checkers so you will make up equity from future mistakes if you take. How bad does a position need to be (cubeful) before you pass? 1.0?

Same situation but in a 5-handed chou where the other two players are average players (clearly better than the captain but clearly weaker than you & Steve)?

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  Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 4:12 a.m.
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    lenny -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 5:09 a.m.
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        Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 1:21 p.m.
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            Jason Lee -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 2:40 p.m.
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            Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 4:31 p.m.
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                Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 7:27 p.m.
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                  Jason Lee -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 8:02 p.m.
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                  Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 10:49 p.m.
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              Ivar Røynstrand -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 6:01 p.m.
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      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 1:10 a.m.
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      Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 1:14 p.m.
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    J. Dawkins -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 7:42 p.m.
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    Coolrey -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 9:09 p.m.
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      Phil simborg -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 12:52 a.m.
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    Bill -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 10:49 p.m.
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      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 12:11 a.m.
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    Jake Jacobs -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 1:50 a.m.
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    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 11:27 p.m.