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Onetime shuffle rule

Posted By: Steve Mellen
Date: Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 6:43 p.m.

In Response To: Onetime shuffle rule (Nack Ballard)

The doubling cube also brought an added layer of strategy and complexity to the game itself. Some people may not have liked that, but the point is that the doubling cube had a clear upside as well as a downside. The upside of the touch-move rule is... in the one match in 20 where your opponent is obnoxious about shuffling the checkers and it becomes difficult to reconstruct the original position, that won't happen any more.

You could envision people saying, "Hey, if this doubling cube thing catches on, it could add a lot of excitement and bring a lot more players into the game." You could envision people saying, "If chess clocks become standard, matches will finish in a reasonable time and maybe more people will be interested in coming to tournaments." In terms of touch-move... do we really imagine that a nontrivial number of people will be drawn to play in events because there's no more checker shuffling?

Every proposed rule change has a potential downside, you're 100% right about that. But you have to weigh the downside against the upside, and one reason I'm dubious about this proposal is that I just don't see a very big one. At best it seems like a very marginal benefit.

Messages In This Thread

• Onetime shuffle rule
  Nack Ballard -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 8:55 p.m.
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    KenB -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 9:09 p.m.
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      neilkaz -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 9:20 p.m.
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        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 9:46 p.m.
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          adambulldog -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 10:47 p.m.
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          Mike Corbett -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 3:24 a.m.
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            Seth -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 10:16 p.m.
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      dlevy -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 9:31 p.m.
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      Nack Ballard -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 12:33 a.m.
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    Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 9:13 p.m.
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      Stein Kulseth -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 9:03 a.m.
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    David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 9:35 p.m.
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    Tom Keith -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 10:21 p.m.
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    Keene -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 10:52 p.m.
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    Steve Mellen -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 11:09 p.m.
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    Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 11:25 p.m.
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    Seth -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 11:28 p.m.
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    Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 4:11 a.m.
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      dlevy -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 4:15 a.m.
    • Onetime shuffle rule
      neilkaz -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 4:37 a.m.
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        rory -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 5:00 p.m.
        • potential trial
          David Rockwell -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 7:17 p.m.
          • potential trial
            Jason Lee -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 7:27 p.m.
            • potential trial
              Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 8:06 p.m.
              • potential trial
                David Rockwell -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 10:29 p.m.
                • potential trial
                  Steen Grønbech -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 12:52 p.m.
                  • potential trial
                    David Rockwell -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 2:07 p.m.
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        joe freedman -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 2:38 a.m.
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      Dan Pelton -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 10:30 a.m.
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      Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 1:58 p.m.
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    Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 4:44 a.m.
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    Christian Munk-Christensen -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 8:44 a.m.
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    Peter G. -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 9:06 a.m.
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    Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 6:38 p.m.
  • Consequences of touch/move
    dlevy -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 10:50 p.m.
  • a solution
    Bill Riles -- Wednesday, 11 November 2009, at 11:50 p.m.
  • Onetime shuffle rule
    alex21 -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 2:44 a.m.
    • Onetime shuffle rule
      Nack Ballard -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 4:11 a.m.
      • Onetime shuffle rule
        Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 6:43 p.m.
    • In chess ...
      neilkaz -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 5:29 a.m.
      • In chess ...
        Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 6:35 p.m.
        • In chess ...
          Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 6:41 p.m.
          • In chess ...
            neilkaz -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 6:56 p.m.
    • Onetime shuffle rule
      Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 6:54 a.m.
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    Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 7:45 a.m.
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    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 12:38 p.m.