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Better tools, less disinformation

Posted By: Rich Munitz
Date: Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:44 p.m.

In Response To: Better tools, less disinformation (mtuhtan)

I'm not saying any of today's rollouts are "correct", I'm simply saying that they are in all likelihood small errors. Stick once said that he would not be surprised if 64R turned out to be correct on the opening roll. So what if it is? How much of a mistake will it be if anyone plays 64P or 64S? Is there some great truth we are all missing because today's bots have major gaps in knowledge? Sure there are positions that arise infrequently that bots might not have a good grasp on. But the key word is "infrequently". My point is simply that I do not believe that there is another revolution of truth out there.

Imagine that we had a backgammon oracle that could tell is the exact equity of any position. What would be the average PR of XGR+ in matches against itself? Maybe 1.5? And how much better than that would rollouts be? So how much error are we really making here when we're willing to invest the computing time? How much room for improvement in the tools (which includes the hardware they run on) is there really left?

Messages In This Thread

• Why are they better?
  phil simborg -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:41 a.m.
  • None of the above?
    Chuck Bower -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 3:57 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    David Rockwell -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:32 a.m.
  • Better tools, less disinformation
    Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:26 a.m.
    • Better tools, less disinformation
      Keene -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:01 a.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:14 a.m.
        • Better tools, less disinformation
          Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:28 p.m.
          • Better tools, less disinformation
            Chuck Bower -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:14 p.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        mtuhtan -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 1:18 p.m.
        • Better tools, less disinformation
          Leonardo Jerkovic -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 1:59 p.m.
          • Better tools, less disinformation
            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:28 p.m.
            • Better tools, less disinformation
              Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:31 p.m.
            • Better tools, less disinformation
              mtuhtan -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 3:15 p.m.
              • Better tools, less disinformation
                Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:44 p.m.
                • Better tools, less disinformation
                  eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:09 p.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:01 p.m.
                • Better tools, less disinformation
                  Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:11 p.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:35 p.m.
                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                      eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 7:53 p.m.
                      • Better tools, less disinformation
                        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 8:42 p.m.
                        • Better tools, less disinformation
                          Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 8:53 p.m.
                          • Better tools, less disinformation
                            Ray Kershaw -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:35 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Frank Berger -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:17 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:25 p.m.
                          • Better tools, less disinformation
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:21 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:45 p.m.
                              • Better tools, less disinformation
                                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:22 a.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 11:45 p.m.
                              • Better tools, less disinformation
                                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:30 a.m.
                                • Better tools, less disinformation
                                  eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:50 a.m.
                                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                                    Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 4:54 a.m.
                                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                                      Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 9:18 a.m.
                                • Better tools, less disinformation
                                  Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:52 a.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:39 p.m.
                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                      Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 11:35 p.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        phil simborg -- Friday, 5 November 2010, at 9:55 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Keene -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:10 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    higonefive -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:20 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:15 p.m.
  • Talent is Overrated
    Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:45 p.m.
    • Talent is Overrated
      Sam Pottle -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 1:19 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:22 p.m.