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Better tools, less disinformation

Posted By: eXtreme Gammon
Date: Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:09 p.m.

In Response To: Better tools, less disinformation (Rich Munitz)

Rich: What would be the average PR of XGR+ in matches against itself? Maybe 1.5? And how much better than that would rollouts be?

The Depreli study gives a good hint about that value ( http://www.bgonline.org/forums/webbbs_config.pl?frames;read=64993 ).

As you may remember it compares the bot/level to RO. In this study XGR+ is about 0.5 PR compared to the rollouts.

Because only positions that at leas one bot/level played were rolled, there are surely a few that were not roll and that all bots have missed. But I would think it should be rather low.

Also, some rollout will be overturn using a different bot and level. Again i do not think it will be much (but probably more important than the position not rolled at all).

My gut feeling is that there is that XGR+ is between 0.8 and 1.2 PR to perfection.

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  phil simborg -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:41 a.m.
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    David Rockwell -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:32 a.m.
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    Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:26 a.m.
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          Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:28 p.m.
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                  eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:09 p.m.
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                    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:01 p.m.
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                          Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 8:53 p.m.
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                            Ray Kershaw -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:35 p.m.
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                              Frank Berger -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:17 p.m.
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                              eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:25 p.m.
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                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:21 p.m.
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                              Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:45 p.m.
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                                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:22 a.m.
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                              Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 11:45 p.m.
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                                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:30 a.m.
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                                  eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:50 a.m.
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                                    Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 4:54 a.m.
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                                      Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 9:18 a.m.
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                                  Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:52 a.m.
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