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Better tools, less disinformation

Posted By: Rich Munitz
Date: Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:01 p.m.

In Response To: Better tools, less disinformation (eXtreme Gammon)

"Because only positions that at leas one bot/level played were rolled, there are surely a few that were not roll and that all bots have missed. But I would think it should be rather low."

I suspect that this is in fact the dominant source of error in current bot play. If it were low enough to ignore, then we would not have to worry about turning off outplays on the analysis. In my experience, cases where the expert human sees something the bot misses is significant (maybe not so significant compared to the size of the human error, but certainly significant compared to the size of the bot error). And the chances are good that if the strongest bot fails to see it, they all will. So if the human's flawed vision produces some of these, how many will the all-seeing oracle produce?

Messages In This Thread

• Why are they better?
  phil simborg -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:41 a.m.
  • None of the above?
    Chuck Bower -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 3:57 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    David Rockwell -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:32 a.m.
  • Better tools, less disinformation
    Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:26 a.m.
    • Better tools, less disinformation
      Keene -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:01 a.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:14 a.m.
        • Better tools, less disinformation
          Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:28 p.m.
          • Better tools, less disinformation
            Chuck Bower -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:14 p.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        mtuhtan -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 1:18 p.m.
        • Better tools, less disinformation
          Leonardo Jerkovic -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 1:59 p.m.
          • Better tools, less disinformation
            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:28 p.m.
            • Better tools, less disinformation
              Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:31 p.m.
            • Better tools, less disinformation
              mtuhtan -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 3:15 p.m.
              • Better tools, less disinformation
                Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:44 p.m.
                • Better tools, less disinformation
                  eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:09 p.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:01 p.m.
                • Better tools, less disinformation
                  Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:11 p.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:35 p.m.
                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                      eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 7:53 p.m.
                      • Better tools, less disinformation
                        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 8:42 p.m.
                        • Better tools, less disinformation
                          Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 8:53 p.m.
                          • Better tools, less disinformation
                            Ray Kershaw -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:35 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Frank Berger -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:17 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:25 p.m.
                          • Better tools, less disinformation
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:21 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:45 p.m.
                              • Better tools, less disinformation
                                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:22 a.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 11:45 p.m.
                              • Better tools, less disinformation
                                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:30 a.m.
                                • Better tools, less disinformation
                                  eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:50 a.m.
                                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                                    Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 4:54 a.m.
                                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                                      Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 9:18 a.m.
                                • Better tools, less disinformation
                                  Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:52 a.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:39 p.m.
                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                      Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 11:35 p.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        phil simborg -- Friday, 5 November 2010, at 9:55 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Keene -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:10 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    higonefive -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:20 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:15 p.m.
  • Talent is Overrated
    Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:45 p.m.
    • Talent is Overrated
      Sam Pottle -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 1:19 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:22 p.m.