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Better tools, less disinformation

Posted By: eXtreme Gammon
Date: Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:50 a.m.

In Response To: Better tools, less disinformation (Rich Munitz)

Rich: Cube value is not part of the position state in money play. Only cube position. Equity of cube on 16 in some position is simply 16 times equity of same position with cube on 1. No need to consider it a distinct position state.

This is true for normalized equity, but for calculation purposes the non normalized equity must be used. Normalize equity is just a display gimmick for user convenience.

I do agree with Tim that without capping the cube, BG is not solvable mathematically. But with capped cube I think it is (Tim, Bob or any math wiz can you confirm that?)

btw, XG has a built in 1024 cube cap (for display purposes rather than backgammon reason).

Messages In This Thread

• Why are they better?
  phil simborg -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:41 a.m.
  • None of the above?
    Chuck Bower -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 3:57 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    David Rockwell -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:32 a.m.
  • Better tools, less disinformation
    Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:26 a.m.
    • Better tools, less disinformation
      Keene -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:01 a.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:14 a.m.
        • Better tools, less disinformation
          Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:28 p.m.
          • Better tools, less disinformation
            Chuck Bower -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:14 p.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        mtuhtan -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 1:18 p.m.
        • Better tools, less disinformation
          Leonardo Jerkovic -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 1:59 p.m.
          • Better tools, less disinformation
            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:28 p.m.
            • Better tools, less disinformation
              Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:31 p.m.
            • Better tools, less disinformation
              mtuhtan -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 3:15 p.m.
              • Better tools, less disinformation
                Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:44 p.m.
                • Better tools, less disinformation
                  eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 5:09 p.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:01 p.m.
                • Better tools, less disinformation
                  Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:11 p.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:35 p.m.
                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                      eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 7:53 p.m.
                      • Better tools, less disinformation
                        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 8:42 p.m.
                        • Better tools, less disinformation
                          Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 8:53 p.m.
                          • Better tools, less disinformation
                            Ray Kershaw -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:35 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Frank Berger -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:17 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:25 p.m.
                          • Better tools, less disinformation
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:21 p.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 10:45 p.m.
                              • Better tools, less disinformation
                                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:22 a.m.
                            • Better tools, less disinformation
                              Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 11:45 p.m.
                              • Better tools, less disinformation
                                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:30 a.m.
                                • Better tools, less disinformation
                                  eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:50 a.m.
                                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                                    Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 4:54 a.m.
                                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                                      Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 9:18 a.m.
                                • Better tools, less disinformation
                                  Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 12:52 a.m.
                  • Better tools, less disinformation
                    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:39 p.m.
                    • Better tools, less disinformation
                      Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 11:35 p.m.
      • Better tools, less disinformation
        phil simborg -- Friday, 5 November 2010, at 9:55 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Keene -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 6:10 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    higonefive -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 9:20 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:15 p.m.
  • Talent is Overrated
    Timothy Chow -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 2:45 p.m.
    • Talent is Overrated
      Sam Pottle -- Tuesday, 2 November 2010, at 1:19 a.m.
  • Why are they better?
    Bob Koca -- Monday, 1 November 2010, at 4:22 p.m.