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Deep backgame - a philosophical question.

Posted By: higonefive
Date: Tuesday, 16 November 2010, at 7:15 p.m.

In Response To: Deep backgame - a philosophical question. (Timothy Chow)

If you start at DMP, gammons are going also out of the window. There are positions, not only backgames, where for example at gammon go (Crawford, 1away 2away) the checkerplay is completely different. So, can you transform the knowledge derived from DMP to gammoncounting or even cubedependent positions? The main problem of backgames are the tendency to selfdestruct, despite the gammon losses. I don't want you to teach me backgames or how to learn them. I've read Vision laughs at Counting, Advanced Backgammon, Backgammon Boot Camp, Cube Reference Positions.

The question is another: can we use the bots as an archimedic point in back game exploration, or is there at least a point where we can't whiten the black box? In positions, where we trust the bots, the best play is for sure sometimes only after 10k RO or more visible. There we believe the bots. And in backgames, there is far more order from noise, far more uncertainty. That is the pudels core. So if we have in this field a real problem, with dissenting votes, all with reasonable, educated guesses, is there a best choice or have we, to be honest, admit, that the problem have to be unsolved?

Messages In This Thread

• Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
  higonefive -- Tuesday, 16 November 2010, at 4:54 p.m.
  • Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
    Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 16 November 2010, at 6:03 p.m.
    • Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
      mtuhtan -- Tuesday, 16 November 2010, at 7:13 p.m.
    • Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
      higonefive -- Tuesday, 16 November 2010, at 7:15 p.m.
      • Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
        Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 17 November 2010, at 12:50 a.m.
        • Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
          higonefive -- Wednesday, 17 November 2010, at 6:38 a.m.
        • Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
          mtuhtan -- Wednesday, 17 November 2010, at 8:08 a.m.
        • Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
          Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 17 November 2010, at 8:44 a.m.
      • Deep backgame - a philosophical question.
        Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 1 December 2010, at 6:01 p.m.
        • "Das Grauen! Das Grauen!"
          higonefive -- Wednesday, 1 December 2010, at 10:33 p.m.
          • "Das Grauen! Das Grauen!"
            higonefive -- Wednesday, 1 December 2010, at 11:16 p.m.