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Is 2ply RO any good?

Posted By: Maik Stiebler
Date: Saturday, 22 January 2011, at 12:37 p.m.

In Response To: Is 2ply RO any good? (Rich Munitz)

I know it's tempting to think that what you describe is what bots are doing. But according to all my information and evidence it isn't. Granted, I'm speaking mostly about gnubg. Here is a piece of evidence:

The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, stiebler 0 (match to 1 point, post-Crawford play)

Move number 2: stiebler to play 13

gnubg162


2O ' ' ' '5X '3X ' '1X5O

1X ' '1X '5O '3O ' ' '4X

stiebler167

Position ID: 4HPkASLgc/ABMA Match ID: cIksAAAAAAAA

• stiebler moves 8/5 6/5

3-ply gnubg-style:

# Ply Move Equity
1 3 8/5 6/5 -0,00262
0,49869 0,13996 0,00497 - 0,50131 0,13220 0,00571

3-ply Rich-style:

# Ply Move Equity
1 R 8/5 6/5 -0,00279
0,498600,140490,00494-0,501400,131490,00579 -0,00279 -0,00279
0,005460,005340,00044-0,005460,003750,00038 0,01092 0,01092
Truncated cubeful rollout (depth 1) without var.redn.
36 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 903957018 and quasi-random dice
Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0,16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

3-ply Maik-style:

# Ply Move Equity
1 R 8/5 6/5 -0,00262
0,498690,139960,00498-0,501310,132240,00571 -0,00262 -0,00262
0,000370,000260,00002-0,000370,000210,00002 0,00073 0,00073
Truncated cubeful rollout (depth 3) without var.redn.
46656 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 903957018 and quasi-random dice
Play: 0-ply cubeful [expert]
Cube: 0-ply cubeful [expert]

I'm much less sure what XG does. I have seen evidence that a least the cube decisions are more sophisticated than only 1-ply in the lookahead. Don't remember exactly anymore.

Of course, Rich-style evals would be much more computationally expensive than Maik-style evals. I cannot really imagine that speed monster XG does Rich-style if gnubg does not.

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