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cross-check of (nearly) independent models

Posted By: Chuck Bower
Date: Thursday, 10 February 2011, at 12:35 a.m.

In Response To: let's make a deal -- OT (Chuck Bower)

It's nice to have an independent cross-check. Analogous to backgammon, there is a football backstep model similar to the construction of bearoff databases:

http://www.footballcommentary.com/twomindrillprobs.htm

Our method is a rollout. We have very little in common with the Krasker model, except some commonality in NFL data (i.e. historical results) which go into the front ends of the models.

Krasker says that (assuming equal, generic NFL opponents) with 2:00 remaining and 1 TO for the offense, a team is 7% worse off with the ball on their own 10-yardline (90 yards from the goalline), trailing by 3 than they are if on the 30-yardline trailing by 6.

Our model agrees with Krasker's in absolute GWC at 0.1% (10-yardline case) and within 0.25% GWC for the 30-yardline case.

Bottom line is that most of the equity for GB going for the TD isn't from their chances to score the TD but rather from leaving PIT with 90 yards to go when the TD attempt fails.

Messages In This Thread

• OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
  Adam Versaw -- Sunday, 6 February 2011, at 4:09 p.m.
  • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
    Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 6 February 2011, at 6:42 p.m.
    • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
      Adam Versaw -- Sunday, 6 February 2011, at 6:51 p.m.
      • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
        Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 6 February 2011, at 7:18 p.m.
      • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
        Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 6 February 2011, at 8:14 p.m.
  • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
    Seth -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 2:13 a.m.
    • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 3:33 a.m.
      • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
        Seth -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 4:57 a.m.
    • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
      neilkaz -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 3:52 a.m.
      • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
        Adam Versaw -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 4:34 a.m.
      • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
        Bill Riles -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 5:07 a.m.
    • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
      Michael Nielsen -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 1:03 p.m.
      • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
        Bill Riles -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 2:10 p.m.
        • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
          Michael Nielsen -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 2:37 p.m.
      • OT packers Steelers. Chuck, who will outcoach?
        Seth -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 2:50 p.m.
      • OT - punt
        Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 10:35 p.m.
    • The other field goal
      Sam Pottle -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 4:06 p.m.
      • The other field goal
        neilkaz -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 4:15 p.m.
        • The other field goal
          Seth -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 5:38 p.m.
          • The last field goal - Chuck??
            Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 8:40 p.m.
            • The last field goal - Chuck??
              Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 8:45 p.m.
      • The other field goal
        Bill Riles -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 4:39 p.m.
        • The other field goal
          Bob Koca -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 10:03 p.m.
      • The other field goal
        Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 4:48 p.m.
      • The other field goal
        Steve Mellen -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 8:07 p.m.
      • NOT close
        Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 7:44 p.m.
        • NOT close
          Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 8:13 p.m.
          • NOT close
            Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 9:03 p.m.
            • NOT close
              Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 10:22 p.m.
        • VERY OT (Some Zeus questions and comments)
          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 8:45 p.m.
          • let's make a deal -- OT
            Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 9:52 p.m.
            • let's make a deal -- OT
              Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 4:30 a.m.
            • Break even point
              Adam Versaw -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 3:35 p.m.
            • anyone else care to weigh in?
              Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 5:44 p.m.
              • I will in much detail later..am at work.. too hard to compose detailed thoughts
                neilkaz -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 6:26 p.m.
                • OK, I'll wait
                  Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 6:37 p.m.
            • let's make a deal -- OT
              Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 8:48 p.m.
            • Your data..OT
              neilkaz -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 11:45 p.m.
            • Data from the 5, 10 or 30 yard line..OT
              neilkaz -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 11:48 p.m.
              • Data from the 5, 10 or 30 yard line..OT
                Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 10 February 2011, at 12:44 a.m.
            • cross-check of (nearly) independent models
              Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 10 February 2011, at 12:35 a.m.
        • NOT close
          Sam Pottle -- Friday, 11 February 2011, at 5:09 a.m.
          • record
            Chuck Bower -- Friday, 11 February 2011, at 4:48 p.m.
    • Call was close (and be careful of results playing)
      Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 7:00 p.m.