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62-opening against different opponents

Posted By: Stick
Date: Monday, 14 February 2011, at 2:04 a.m.

In Response To: 62-opening against different opponents (sonrik)

There has to be a huge difference in elo for me to even consider playing 13/5 ($) with an opening 62. If I think my opponent is playing double digits PR then I will consider it. All double digit PRs are not the same so it depends from where the opponent's mistakes stem. I'd rather slot against a passive player who never cubes than an over aggressive player who doubles early.
In general slotting gives up way too much equity to be a real contender. All the rollouts I currently have are posted below. Here are the nacbracs too. The staggered GNU rollout of 2 ply v. 0 ply is not included in the nacbracs.
[S R28 $38] <62
[S R24 $33] /46 (supremo)
[S R25 $49] /15**5
[S R20 $38 D83 U83 Z89] ~15*10 5

Key: D = Down (13/7 13/11), R = Run (24/16), S = Split (24/18 13/11), U = Up (24/18 24/22), Z = Reverse Split (24/22 13/7), $ = Slot (13/5). Margins are in thousandths. After brackets is a bot symbol (~ Snowie, / GnuBG, < XG 3-ply, ^ XG 4-ply, "+ XG2 roller+) and the number of trials in thousands, rounded down (an asterisk repeats, not necessary after final number).
For example, " [S R25 $49] /15**5" means that S is best and R is -.025 in a GnuBG rollout of 15000+ trials, and $ is -.049 after 5000+ trials.

is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 167

Money session
Jacoby Beaver

pip: 167
score: 0

is Player 1

XGID=-b----E-C---eE---c-e----B-:0:0:1:62:0:0:3:0:10
to play 62

1. Rollout¹ 24/18 13/11 eq: +0.019
Player:
Opponent: 50.78% (G:13.34% B:0.81%)
49.21% (G:13.92% B:0.76%) Conf: ± 0.003 (+0.016...+0.022)
Duration: 10 hours 37 minutes
2. Rollout¹ 24/16 eq: -0.010 (-0.028)
Player:
Opponent: 50.30% (G:12.20% B:0.70%)
49.70% (G:13.88% B:0.69%) Conf: ± 0.003 (-0.013...-0.007)
Duration: 9 hours 56 minutes
3. Rollout¹ 13/5 eq: -0.019 (-0.038)
Player:
Opponent: 49.38% (G:14.58% B:0.82%)
50.62% (G:14.19% B:0.91%) Conf: ± 0.003 (-0.022...-0.016)
Duration: 10 hours 02 minutes

¹ 62208 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 10842456
Moves and cube decisions: 3 ply

gnubg 167

Readers 167
Position ID: 4HPwATDgc/ABMA Match ID: MAELAAAAAAAA

# Ply Move Equity

• 1 R 24/18 13/11 +0.0176

0.5063 0.1314 0.0064 - 0.4937 0.1364 0.0056 +0.0084 +0.0176

0.0003 0.0003 0.0001 - 0.0003 0.0003 0.0001 0.0008 0.0020

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

46656 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1 and quasi-random dice

Play: supremo 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 16 more moves within equity 0.32

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

2 R 24/16 -0.0065 ( -0.0241)

0.5028 0.1191 0.0054 - 0.4972 0.1356 0.0053 -0.0108 -0.0065

0.0003 0.0003 0.0001 - 0.0003 0.0003 0.0001 0.0007 0.0019

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

46656 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1 and quasi-random dice

Play: supremo 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 16 more moves within equity 0.32

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

3 R 13/5 -0.0157 ( -0.0333)

0.4931 0.1457 0.0068 - 0.5069 0.1408 0.0074 -0.0094 -0.0157

0.0003 0.0003 0.0001 - 0.0003 0.0003 0.0001 0.0009 0.0022

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

46656 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1 and quasi-random dice

Play: supremo 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 16 more moves within equity 0.32

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

gnubg 167

user 167
Position ID: 4HPwATDgc/ABMA Match ID: MAELAAAAAAAA

# Ply Move Equity

• 1 R 24/18 13/11 +0.0193

0.5068 0.1302 0.0064 - 0.4932 0.1360 0.0055 +0.0087 +0.0193

0.0005 0.0005 0.0002 - 0.0005 0.0005 0.0002 0.0014 0.0035

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

15552 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 988951872 and quasi-random dice

Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

2 R 24/16 -0.0060 ( -0.0253)

0.5028 0.1191 0.0053 - 0.4972 0.1368 0.0056 -0.0124 -0.0060

0.0005 0.0005 0.0001 - 0.0005 0.0006 0.0002 0.0013 0.0035

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

15552 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 988951872 and quasi-random dice

Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

3 R 13/5 -0.0296 ( -0.0489)

0.4914 0.1440 0.0068 - 0.5086 0.1407 0.0076 -0.0148 -0.0296

0.0009 0.0009 0.0002 - 0.0009 0.0010 0.0005 0.0023 0.0062

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 988951872 and quasi-random dice

Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Player 0 167

Player 1 167
Position ID: 4HPwATDgc/ABMA Match ID: cAkZAAAAAAAA

# Ply Move Equity

• 1 R 24/18 13/11 +0.1319

0.5257 0.1282 0.0061 - 0.4743 0.1296 0.0058 +0.0502 +0.1319

0.0009 0.0009 0.0004 - 0.0009 0.0008 0.0003 0.0023 0.0062

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 821780159 and quasi-random dice

Player 0:

Play: 0-ply cubeful [expert]

Cube: 0-ply cubeful [expert]

Player 1:

Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

2 R 13/5 +0.1095 ( -0.0224)

0.5117 0.1421 0.0062 - 0.4883 0.1332 0.0067 +0.0319 +0.1095

0.0009 0.0008 0.0002 - 0.0009 0.0009 0.0003 0.0023 0.0063

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 821780159 and quasi-random dice

Player 0:

Play: 0-ply cubeful [expert]

Cube: 0-ply cubeful [expert]

Player 1:

Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

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(Green) vs. (White)
Money session. Score Green-White: 0-0

Pip: 167
Game 1
Money session

Green-White:
Score 0-0

Pip: 167

# Ply Move Equity

1 R 24/18 13/11 0.018

Live cube rollout: 0.026

95% confidence interval:
- money cubeless eq.: 0.012 ±0.004,
- live cube: 0.026 ±0.007.
Rollout settings:
Full rollout,
15552 games (equiv. 490389 games),
played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply,
settlement 0.550 at 4 pts,
random seed, with race database.

2 R 24/16 -0.003 (-0.020)

Live cube rollout: 0.004

95% confidence interval:
- money cubeless eq.: -0.005 ±0.004,
- live cube: 0.004 ±0.007.
Rollout settings:
Full rollout,
15552 games (equiv. 497554 games),
played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply,
settlement 0.550 at 4 pts,
random seed, with race database.

3 R 13/5 -0.021 (-0.038)

Live cube rollout: -0.027

95% confidence interval:
- money cubeless eq.: -0.013 ±0.005,
- live cube: -0.027 ±0.009.
Rollout settings:
Full rollout,
10368 games (equiv. 312997 games),
played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply,
settlement 0.550 at 4 pts,
random seed, with race database.

4 R 13/7 13/11 -0.066 (-0.083)

Live cube rollout: -0.075

95% confidence interval:
- money cubeless eq.: -0.047 ±0.007,
- live cube: -0.075 ±0.013.
Rollout settings:
Full rollout,
5184 games (equiv. 148352 games),
played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply,
settlement 0.550 at 4 pts,
random seed, with race database.

5 R 24/18 24/22 -0.066 (-0.083)

Live cube rollout: -0.068

95% confidence interval:
- money cubeless eq.: -0.049 ±0.006,
- live cube: -0.068 ±0.012.
Rollout settings:
Full rollout,
5184 games (equiv. 163057 games),
played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply,
settlement 0.550 at 4 pts,
random seed, with race database.

6 R 24/22 13/7 -0.071 (-0.089)

Live cube rollout: -0.076

95% confidence interval:
- money cubeless eq.: -0.049 ±0.007,
- live cube: -0.076 ±0.013.
Rollout settings:
Full rollout,
5184 games (equiv. 157789 games),
played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply,
settlement 0.550 at 4 pts,
random seed, with race database.

Stick

gnubg	167

Readers	167
Position ID: `4HPwATDgc/ABMA` Match ID: `MAELAAAAAAAA`

gnubg	167

user	167
Position ID: `4HPwATDgc/ABMA` Match ID: `MAELAAAAAAAA`

Player 0	167

Player 1	167
Position ID: `4HPwATDgc/ABMA` Match ID: `cAkZAAAAAAAA`

#	Ply	Move	Equity
1	R	24/18 13/11	0.018
		Live cube rollout: 0.026
		95% confidence interval: - money cubeless eq.: 0.012 ±0.004, - live cube: 0.026 ±0.007. Rollout settings: Full rollout, 15552 games (equiv. 490389 games), played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply, settlement 0.550 at 4 pts, random seed, with race database.
2	R	24/16	-0.003 (-0.020)
		Live cube rollout: 0.004
		95% confidence interval: - money cubeless eq.: -0.005 ±0.004, - live cube: 0.004 ±0.007. Rollout settings: Full rollout, 15552 games (equiv. 497554 games), played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply, settlement 0.550 at 4 pts, random seed, with race database.
3	R	13/5	-0.021 (-0.038)
		Live cube rollout: -0.027
		95% confidence interval: - money cubeless eq.: -0.013 ±0.005, - live cube: -0.027 ±0.009. Rollout settings: Full rollout, 10368 games (equiv. 312997 games), played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply, settlement 0.550 at 4 pts, random seed, with race database.
4	R	13/7 13/11	-0.066 (-0.083)
		Live cube rollout: -0.075
		95% confidence interval: - money cubeless eq.: -0.047 ±0.007, - live cube: -0.075 ±0.013. Rollout settings: Full rollout, 5184 games (equiv. 148352 games), played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply, settlement 0.550 at 4 pts, random seed, with race database.
5	R	24/18 24/22	-0.066 (-0.083)
		Live cube rollout: -0.068
		95% confidence interval: - money cubeless eq.: -0.049 ±0.006, - live cube: -0.068 ±0.012. Rollout settings: Full rollout, 5184 games (equiv. 163057 games), played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply, settlement 0.550 at 4 pts, random seed, with race database.
6	R	24/22 13/7	-0.071 (-0.089)
		Live cube rollout: -0.076
		95% confidence interval: - money cubeless eq.: -0.049 ±0.007, - live cube: -0.076 ±0.013. Rollout settings: Full rollout, 5184 games (equiv. 157789 games), played 3-ply (precise), cube 3-ply, settlement 0.550 at 4 pts, random seed, with race database.

Messages In This Thread

62-opening against different opponents
sonrik -- Sunday, 13 February 2011, at 7:14 p.m.
- 62-opening against different opponents
  christian munk-christensen -- Sunday, 13 February 2011, at 7:21 p.m.
- 62-opening against different opponents
  Stick -- Monday, 14 February 2011, at 2:04 a.m.
  - 62-opening against different opponents
    Nack Ballard -- Monday, 14 February 2011, at 3:45 a.m.
    - 62-opening against different opponents
      Stick -- Monday, 14 February 2011, at 4:03 a.m.
      - 62-opening against different opponents
        Nack Ballard -- Monday, 14 February 2011, at 4:54 a.m.
      - 62-opening against different opponents
        Taper_Mike -- Saturday, 29 June 2013, at 5:30 a.m.
- 62-opening against different opponents
  Nack Ballard -- Monday, 14 February 2011, at 3:46 a.m.
- 62-opening against different opponents
  neilkaz -- Monday, 14 February 2011, at 3:51 a.m.

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