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Alternative to byes

Posted By: Chuck Bower
Date: Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 9:01 p.m.

In Response To: Alternative to byes (Bob Koca)

And deal with tie breaks to make it work?

Yes, I guess my comment to Tom's idea also applies to mine -- tiebreakers may be the big problem. For a truncated RR (like Tom's) or even Swiss, I guess you could potentially break ties by looking at the records of the opponents. But I don't see how that would guarantee a clean break at 2^n -- 2^n - 1. If every player had a rating then the second tiebreaker could use ratings of opponents. I think you'd have to distinguish ratings of players you defeated from those who defeated you, but I suspect this could be done equitably. However, there's no guarantee that everyone would have a rating, and even with one, how reliable that rating is. Stick's idea (regardless of how serious he was) would also be a good tiebreaker if the matches were recorded. Ditto your favorite idea of a variance reduced performance metric.

As far as the rest of your questions, I think you answered them, or at least know how to figure out the answers in short order.

Messages In This Thread

• Alternative to byes
  Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 6:27 p.m.
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    Stick -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 6:33 p.m.
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    Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 7:32 p.m.
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      Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 8:43 p.m.
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        Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 9:10 p.m.
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          Rich Munitz -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 4:26 a.m.
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            Tom Keith -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 11:27 a.m.
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          Chuck Bower -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 1:32 p.m.
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            Tom Keith -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 3:06 p.m.
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              Bob Koca -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 5:51 p.m.
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                Tom Keith -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 6:01 p.m.
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                  Bob Koca -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 6:07 p.m.
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                    Henrik Bukkjaer -- Wednesday, 4 May 2011, at 11:23 p.m.
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          Bob Koca -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 5:49 p.m.
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            Tom Keith -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 5:59 p.m.
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    Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 8:26 p.m.
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      Sam Pottle -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 8:49 p.m.
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      Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 9:01 p.m.
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    Ray Kershaw -- Sunday, 1 May 2011, at 9:17 p.m.
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    Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 6:27 a.m.
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      Stein Kulseth -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 2:50 p.m.
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        Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 2:54 p.m.
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      neilkaz -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 5:46 p.m.
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        rory -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 7:56 p.m.
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    Stein Kulseth -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 10:28 a.m.
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      Ray Kershaw -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 12:00 p.m.
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        Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 2:27 p.m.
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          Stein Kulseth -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 2:33 p.m.
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          neilkaz -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 5:47 p.m.
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          Michael Petch -- Monday, 2 May 2011, at 6:43 p.m.