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Big skill difference, cube adjustment? - ROLLOUTS and questions for NBM
Posted By: Carlo Melzi In Response To: Big skill difference, cube adjustment? (Carlo Melzi)
Date: Wednesday, 21 November 2012, at 9:40 a.m.
White is Player 2
score: 7
pip: 7515 point match pip: 60
score: 8
Blue is Player 1XGID=-CCACaC--B--------acbbbbb-:1:1:1:00:8:7:0:15:10 Blue on roll, cube action?
Analyzed in Rollout No redouble Redouble/Take Player Winning Chances: 74,21% (G:0,45% B:0,00%) 74,48% (G:0,48% B:0,01%) Opponent Winning Chances: 25,79% (G:0,85% B:0,02%) 25,52% (G:1,54% B:0,05%) Cubeless Equities +0,479 +0,954 Cubeful Equities No redouble: +0,688 (-0,136) ±0,004 (+0,684..+0,693) Redouble/Take: +0,825 ±0,005 (+0,819..+0,830) Redouble/Pass: +1,000 (+0,175) Best Cube action: Redouble / Take Rollout details 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 60593785
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG RollerDouble Decision confidence: 100,0% Take Decision confidence: 100,0% Duration: 2 minutes 46 seconds eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.02, MET: Kazaross XG2
White is Player 2
score: 7
pip: 8015 point match pip: 60
score: 8
Blue is Player 1XGID=-CCACaC--B---a-----cbbbbb-:1:1:1:00:8:7:0:15:10 Blue on roll, cube action?
Analyzed in Rollout No redouble Redouble/Take Player Winning Chances: 76,73% (G:1,01% B:0,01%) 77,22% (G:0,90% B:0,02%) Opponent Winning Chances: 23,27% (G:1,01% B:0,02%) 22,78% (G:1,27% B:0,05%) Cubeless Equities +0,533 +1,083 Cubeful Equities No redouble: +0,747 (-0,244) ±0,004 (+0,743..+0,751) Redouble/Take: +0,990 ±0,006 (+0,985..+0,996) Redouble/Pass: +1,000 (+0,010) Best Cube action: Redouble / Take Rollout details 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 60593785
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG RollerDouble Decision confidence: 100,0% Take Decision confidence: 100,0% Duration: 2 minutes 58 seconds eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.02, MET: Kazaross XG2
White is Player 2
score: 7
pip: 8115 point match pip: 60
score: 8
Blue is Player 1XGID=-CCACaC--B--a------cbbbbb-:1:1:1:00:8:7:0:15:10 Blue on roll, cube action?
Analyzed in Rollout No redouble Redouble/Take Player Winning Chances: 77,07% (G:1,19% B:0,01%) 77,55% (G:1,00% B:0,01%) Opponent Winning Chances: 22,93% (G:0,96% B:0,02%) 22,45% (G:1,07% B:0,04%) Cubeless Equities +0,543 +1,103 Cubeful Equities No redouble: +0,753 (-0,247) ±0,004 (+0,750..+0,757) Redouble/Take: +1,013 (+0,013) ±0,006 (+1,007..+1,019) Redouble/Pass: +1,000 Best Cube action: Redouble / Pass Rollout details 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 60593785
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG RollerDouble Decision confidence: 100,0% Take Decision confidence: 100,0% Duration: 3 minutes 31 seconds eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.02, MET: Kazaross XG2
Nigel, I wasn't questioning your approach, I just couldn't follow it. See below:
NBM: A 1600-1930 PR diff equates to 330/1930 or 17.2% of the Trailers WC's.
You estimate a 10 PR difference as a 330 Elo point difference, right? Ok, but what does 17.2% represent? What do I do with that number?
NBM: I estimated White wins the race/hits a shot approx 25% of the time.
Very good, as shown by the rollouts.
NBM: 25% * 17.2% = 4.3%. In E-Pips terms, blue needs a mimimum of 6 pips to bear in and White needs 15 pips. Therefore, 15-6 * 0.21 + 2 * 0.5 = 2.8%. If the checker on 18 were on the 12pt, then, 20-6 * 0.21 + 2 * 0.5 = 3.9. On the midpoint: 21-6 * 0.21 + 3 * 0.5 = 4.6.
Again, I cannot follow your reasoning.
NBM: On the 12 1/2pt looks about right.
This is exactly the borderline point for a take vs pass between equally skilled players. Are you saying that you consider doubling correct for blue as soon as he has reached pass territory?
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