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Cube error rates

Posted By: playBunny
Date: Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 5:12 p.m.

In Response To: Cube error rates (Joe Russell)

Q. In an absurd extension of this, suppose each side danced a 100 times. Do you think that you would have cost yourself 90% MWC

A. Why not?

An error measures equity loss in a given position. Between two positions there's a change in equity. Here, if you fail to cube and dance and your opponent dances then there's equity lost by you not having cubed, equity lost by not having come in and equity gained by your opponent not cubing and not coming in. Those changes in equity should sum to zero because you are now in the starting position. If 90% MWC gets lost through the repeated cube error then 90% must have got pumped back in.

If you make the same mistake 100 or 1000 times the total error (and the total restoration) will be huge but the average error will only be the size of one of them. It's the average error that is used for comparing players. If you only take the largest of those errors then you must also omit all those cube decisions from the move count else they will incorrectly reduce the error when computing the average.

That 90% MWC is 0.9% MWC per decision from 100 turns. Would you prefer to take the largest, 0.9%, and declare that the other 99 turns don't count?

Messages In This Thread

• Cube error rates
  Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 1:37 p.m.
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    Seth -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 2:22 p.m.
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    phlegethos -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 2:33 p.m.
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    Keene -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 3:08 p.m.
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      Coolrey -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:23 p.m.
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        Keene -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 8:45 p.m.
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          Coolrey -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 5:09 p.m.
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            Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 8:57 p.m.
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    Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 3:54 p.m.
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      Marty Storer -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 5:03 p.m.
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        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 5:05 p.m.
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          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 5:13 p.m.
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          Marty Storer -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 6:12 p.m.
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            Coolrey -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:05 p.m.
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              Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 12:22 p.m.
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                Stick -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 12:41 p.m.
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                  phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 3:58 p.m.
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                  Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 12:24 a.m.
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              Marty Storer -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 1:17 p.m.
              • Cube error rates (one correction)
                Marty Storer -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 1:27 p.m.
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                  Coolrey -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 4:59 p.m.
                  • Cube error rates (one correction)
                    MaX -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 9:25 a.m.
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    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 3:54 p.m.
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      Coolrey -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:09 p.m.
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    Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 5:47 p.m.
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      Frank Berger -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:19 p.m.
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        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:22 p.m.
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          Coolrey -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:28 p.m.
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            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:36 p.m.
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              Coolrey -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:47 p.m.
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                Jake Jacobs -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 3:35 a.m.
                • uhhhhh, kinda?
                  Coolrey -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 9:23 p.m.
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                phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 3:52 p.m.
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            Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:37 p.m.
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              Coolrey -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:43 p.m.
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                Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 8:00 a.m.
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                  Coolrey -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 4:41 p.m.
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          Frank Berger -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:45 p.m.
          • pointer, please
            Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 12:39 a.m.
            • pointer, please
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 1:57 a.m.
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            Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 8:51 a.m.
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              Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 10:33 a.m.
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            Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 1:52 p.m.
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        Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 12:13 p.m.
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          Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 1:41 p.m.
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            Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 6:00 p.m.
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              Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 7:14 p.m.
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                Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 7:53 p.m.
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            Sam Pottle -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 1:44 a.m.
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          Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 3:54 p.m.
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    Neil Robins -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 6:04 p.m.
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    garyo -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 6:49 p.m.
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    Matt Reklaitis -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:48 p.m.
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      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:56 p.m.
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        Matt Reklaitis -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 8:35 p.m.
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    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 21 July 2009, at 7:52 p.m.
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      Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 7:42 a.m.
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      Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 11:47 a.m.
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        misja -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 2:55 p.m.
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        Matt Reklaitis -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 3:58 p.m.
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        playBunny -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 5:12 p.m.
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    neilkaz -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 12:38 p.m.
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      Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 1:10 p.m.
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        Robert-Jan Veldhuizen (Zorba) -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 2:28 p.m.
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          MaX -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 9:41 a.m.
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        Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 22 July 2009, at 9:16 p.m.
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    Fabrice Liardet -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 11:08 a.m.
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        Fabrice Liardet -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 1:58 p.m.
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          Maik Stiebler -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 6:10 p.m.
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            Fabrice Liardet -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 10:43 a.m.
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              Maik Stiebler -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 11:39 a.m.
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                    Fabrice Liardet -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 9:50 p.m.
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                  Robert-Jan Veldhuizen (Zorba) -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 7:31 p.m.
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      Joe Russell -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 3:29 a.m.
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          Maik Stiebler -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 6:49 a.m.
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    Frank Berger -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 9:23 p.m.
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        Frank Berger -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 9:55 p.m.
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          Matt Reklaitis -- Thursday, 23 July 2009, at 10:13 p.m.
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            Frank Berger -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 9:14 a.m.
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              Robert-Jan Veldhuizen (Zorba) -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 10:18 a.m.
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                Frank Berger -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 1:36 p.m.
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                  Maik Stiebler -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 2:27 p.m.
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                    Joe Russell -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 2:51 a.m.
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