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Controversy in the Chou

Posted By: Timothy Chow
Date: Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 9:49 p.m.

In Response To: Controversy in the Chou (Chuck Bower)

The point is that your friend's positive score against you affects not just you, but all the other participants in the tournament. It's similar to "throwing" games to your friends to help them win the tournament.

To crystallize the point, let me pose the following hypothetical scenario. At the beginning of the tournament, I make the following public announcement. "Some of you are my friends and some of you are not. My friends are..." I then name names. "If you are my friend, then you are allowed to change your play after you hit the clock, as long as you O.K. it with me first. If you are not my friend, then you will not be granted this privilege." Surely this grants my friends an unfair advantage over my non-friends, and it is hard to imagine anyone having the guts to make such a public announcement.

Now take away the public announcement, but go ahead and act this way anyway. Eliminating the public announcement does not make the unfairness go away. In fact, I would argue that it is worse. At least, if you make the discriminatory behavior an official rule, everyone is aware of it and can opt out of the tournament if they don't like it. But if you secretly give your friends an unfair advantage, in direct violation of the rules, then you are in effect helping them cheat.

Messages In This Thread

• Controversy in the Chou
  Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 4:36 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    dlevy -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      KenB -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 5:16 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 9:38 p.m.
        • Rhyme or Reason
          Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 11:03 p.m.
          • Rhyme or Reason
            Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 4:14 p.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Perry Gartner -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 11:07 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Carter Mattig -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:12 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:36 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:45 a.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 11:21 p.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Jason Lee -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:23 p.m.
          • Yes, I do play for fun.
            Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 7:16 p.m.
            • Yes, I do play for fun.
              Jason Lee -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 11:40 p.m.
              • Yes, I do play for fun.
                Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 12:37 a.m.
                • Yes, I do play for fun.
                  Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 12:48 a.m.
                  • Yes, I do play for fun.
                    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 1:38 a.m.
                    • Yes, I do play for fun.
                      Phil Simborg -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 2:30 a.m.
                      • Yes, I do play for fun.
                        Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:49 a.m.
                      • What chou talkin bout Philis?
                        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 5:55 a.m.
                        • What chou talkin bout Philis?
                          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 8:29 a.m.
                          • What chou talkin bout Philis?
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 3:59 p.m.
                        • Legal plays
                          Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 3:49 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:18 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:20 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Chuck Bower -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:36 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 3:48 a.m.
                            • Legal plays
                              Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 8:13 p.m.
                              • Legal plays
                                Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 3:20 p.m.
                                • Legal plays
                                  Frank_N_Stein -- Thursday, 1 October 2009, at 5:40 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 4:12 a.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Chuck Bower -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:25 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Carter Mattig -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 3:49 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 4:58 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 5:38 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:18 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 7:22 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 9:49 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    neilkaz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 5:43 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 5:57 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        neilkaz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 7:18 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      lenny -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 11:04 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:04 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 9:54 p.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 2:51 a.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 3:49 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:27 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:59 p.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:26 p.m.
                  • Controversy in the Chou
                    Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:56 p.m.
                    • Controversy in the Chou
                      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 8:50 a.m.
                      • Controversy in the Chou
                        Phil Simborg -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 12:25 p.m.
                        • Controversy in the Chou
                          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:11 p.m.
                          • Controversy in the Chou
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:26 p.m.
                            • Controversy in the Chou
                              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
                              • Controversy in the Chou
                                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:34 p.m.
                                • Controversy in the Chou
                                  David Kettler -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 5:14 p.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 10:11 p.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:30 a.m.
              • Never mind... question answered. *NM*
                Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:32 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:30 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:29 a.m.
              • This is asinine
                David Rockwell -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:54 a.m.
                • This is asinine
                  rory -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:18 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:46 p.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Carter Mattig -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:49 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:23 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:25 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:11 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:04 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Brad Baker -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 7:02 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 7:39 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 8:11 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:44 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 8:36 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 10:49 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    David Rockwell -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 12:17 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      David Rockwell -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 12:30 a.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 2:06 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Seth -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:28 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:38 a.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 5:12 a.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 4:01 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 7:47 p.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 9:11 p.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 10:06 p.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 1:08 a.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 1:20 a.m.
                  • Controversy in the Chou
                    Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 1:33 a.m.
                    • Controversy in the Chou
                      Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 3:14 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 11:18 p.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 12:54 a.m.
                  • Controversy in the Chou
                    Frank_N_Stein -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 2:10 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 12:45 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Frank_N_Stein -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 2:09 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 3:27 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:04 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    rory -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:16 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:25 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:31 a.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        rory -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:45 a.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 3:46 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Jason Lee -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:21 p.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:37 p.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Carter Mattig -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:34 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    rory -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:21 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:26 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Christian Munk-Christensen -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:33 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Sam Pottle -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 3:41 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Seth -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 1:51 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 5:01 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Stick -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 1:59 a.m.