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Is XG very weak at 14 off?

Posted By: Stick
Date: Saturday, 7 December 2013, at 10:51 a.m.

In Response To: Is XG very weak at 14 off? (mochy)

Out of idle curiosity I rolled out the position at dmp 1296 trials with seed 48268458 for all rollouts which usually yields a fluctuation of about +/- .008 and here are the results. I wanted to see if XG got better in this particular position with higher settings.

3 ply regular search space

  • 23*, 4 wins 0.9%
  • 23*, 19 wins 0.3%

3 ply gigantic search space

  • 23*, 4 wins 1.4%
  • 23*, 19 wins 1.2%

4 ply regular search space

  • 23*, 4 wins 2.3%
  • 23*, 19 wins 2.2%

4 ply gigantic search space

  • 23*, 4 wins 3.3%
  • 23*, 19 wins 2.7%

So it did climb with stronger settings but nowhere near where it should be. The problem is even on XGR+ as UBK noted XG is making ridiculous plays involving breaking the six point. Not only that though, there are other crunky plays that are clearly wrong that XG fubars on 3 ply either by misevaluating the position or the move filter simply not pushing enough/the right plays through.





White is eXtremeGammon

score: 0
pip: 16
1 point match
pip: 115
score: 0

Blue is eXtremeGammon
XGID=----ABCBDaA-A--A----------:0:0:1:41:0:0:0:1:10
Blue to play 41

1.3-ply15/11 10/9* eq: -0.846
Player:
Opponent:
7.69% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
92.31% (G:22.29% B:11.45%)
2.3-ply10/9* 8/4eq: -0.850 (-0.004)
Player:
Opponent:
7.49% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
92.51% (G:15.36% B:6.45%)

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2





White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 23
1 point match
pip: 110
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=--a-ABCBDA-AA-------------:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:1:10
Blue to play 43

1.3-ply12/9 11/7eq: -0.837
Player:
Opponent:
8.15% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
91.85% (G:21.89% B:9.08%)

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2





White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 23
1 point match
pip: 104
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=--aABBBBCB-----A----------:1:1:1:61:0:0:0:1:10
Blue to play 61

1.3-ply15/8eq: -0.834
Player:
Opponent:
8.32% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
91.68% (G:7.65% B:2.70%)

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2

Just countless positions that maybe aren't the monsters that are breaking the six point but still weigh in. GNU appears to have the same problem.

The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, Stick 0 (match to 1 point, post-Crawford play)

gnubg2

1O1X ' ' ' ' ' '1O1O '1O

 ' ' ' '2O3O1O4O ' ' '1O
Stick147
Position ID: AgAAwK6HUoAAAA Match ID: cAkmAAAAAAAE

# Ply Move Equity
1 R 24/23* 8/4 -0.951
0.0250.0000.000-0.9750.7140.586 -0.951 -0.951
0.0030.0000.000-0.0030.0170.014 0.005 0.005
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
648 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 729890753 and quasi-random dice
Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
2 R 24/23*/19 -0.962 ( -0.012)
0.0190.0000.000-0.9810.7640.463 -0.962 -0.962
0.0030.0000.000-0.0030.0180.012 0.005 0.005
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
648 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 729890753 and quasi-random dice
Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]


The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, Stick 0

gnubg2

1O1X ' ' ' ' ' '1O1O '1O

 ' ' ' '2O3O1O4O ' ' '1O
Stick147
Position ID: AgAAwK6HUoAAAA Match ID: UQkGAAAAAAAA

# Ply Move Equity
1 R 24/23*/19 -1.061
0.0630.0000.000-0.9370.1490.052 -1.076 -1.061
0.0020.0000.000-0.0020.0040.002 0.006 0.006
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
648 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 729890753 and quasi-random dice
Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
2 R 24/23* 15/11 -1.096 ( -0.035)
0.0610.0000.000-0.9390.1650.069 -1.111 -1.096
0.0020.0000.000-0.0020.0040.002 0.009 0.009
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
648 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 729890753 and quasi-random dice
Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

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