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Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations

Posted By: Tom Keith
Date: Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 12:52 a.m.

In Response To: Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations (Rick Janowski)

Hi Rick,

You wrote: However there are two other extreme scores which tend to be more critical than the GG and GS cases. These are 4 away 2 away (as a more extreme version of GG) and 2 away 4 away (as a more extreme version of GS). For convenience, let's call these two scores GG+ and GS+ respectively.

The 2-away 4-away score is a facinating one. Your definition of GG+ and GS+ is presumably based on games with the cube still at 1. So that got me wondering ...

1. How often will the GG+ player win a gammon with the cube still at 1?

2. What is the gammon price for the GG+ player?

3. How often will the GS+ player win the game without ever turning the cube.

4. What is the gammon price for the GS+ player?

I'm trying to get a handle on how extreme this score is, but I don't see a straightforward way to calculate these things. Do you have any thoughts? Thanks,

Tom

Messages In This Thread

• Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
  Rick Janowski -- Wednesday, 15 May 2013, at 4:57 p.m.
  • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
    Taper_Mike -- Wednesday, 15 May 2013, at 5:43 p.m.
    • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
      Rick Janowski -- Wednesday, 15 May 2013, at 6:00 p.m.
  • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
    Tom Keith -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 12:52 a.m.
    • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
      David Rockwell -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 2:25 a.m.
      • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
        Rick Janowski -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 2:13 p.m.
    • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
      Rick Janowski -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 2:01 p.m.
    • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
      AdamStocks -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 5:39 p.m.
      • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
        Rick Janowski -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 6:00 p.m.
        • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
          AdamStocks -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 6:26 p.m.
    • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
      Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 6:09 p.m.
      • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
        Tom Keith -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 6:36 p.m.
  • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
    Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 2:14 a.m.
    • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
      Rick Janowski -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 2:40 p.m.
      • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
        Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 6:05 p.m.
  • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
    Douglas Zare -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 9:09 p.m.
    • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
      Bob Koca -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 10:13 p.m.
      • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
        Rick Janowski -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 1:54 a.m.
        • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
          Maik Stiebler -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 5:33 a.m.
        • 64P-52
          Michael Nielsen -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 8:58 p.m.
          • Rick's Method Seems to Work with this 64P-52
            Dmitriy Obukhov -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 11:24 p.m.
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        Douglas Zare -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 8:00 p.m.
  • GG/GS versus GG+/GS+
    David Levy -- Thursday, 16 May 2013, at 9:14 p.m.
  • Example of play prediction method
    Rick Janowski -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 9:00 a.m.
    • Example of play prediction method
      David Rockwell -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 12:36 p.m.
      • Example of play prediction method
        Dmitriy Obukhov -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 2:20 p.m.
        • Example of play prediction method
          Timothy Chow -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 3:26 p.m.
          • Example of play prediction method
            Dmitriy Obukhov -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 4:34 p.m.
          • Example of play prediction method
            Michael Nielsen -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 8:28 p.m.
            • Example of play prediction method
              Timothy Chow -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 11:37 p.m.
        • Example of play prediction method - Bumps
          Rick Janowski -- Saturday, 18 May 2013, at 9:59 a.m.
      • Opening 32 — 2-away, 4-away — Link to 3-ply XG2 Rollout
        Taper_Mike -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 5:17 p.m.
      • Example of play prediction method
        Rick Janowski -- Friday, 17 May 2013, at 7:08 p.m.
  • When GG and GG+ diverge: 62s 66
    Jeremy Bagai -- Saturday, 18 May 2013, at 2:59 a.m.
    • When GG and GG+ diverge: 62s 66
      Rick Janowski -- Saturday, 18 May 2013, at 9:41 a.m.
  • Gammon Go (GG) and Gammon Save (GS) Considerations
    Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 18 May 2013, at 6:24 a.m.