BGonline.org Forums

Controversy in the Chou

Posted By: Chuck Bower
Date: Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:25 p.m.

In Response To: Controversy in the Chou (Phil Simborg)

So by creating this gray area, we are not only blurring the rules of the game and the rules of conduct, but we are creating situations where there can be hard feelings.

I don't think you can prevent hard feelings in this way. Maybe you can minimize their occurrence,... But like making rules to punish cheaters, you often end up hurting the 'innocent' (more specifically the unintentioned error-maker for whom many prefer a different word) and the cheater finds another way to cheat. Such will be the case if rules are written to prevent hard feelings, IMO.

If I am playing baseball...

Big difference. There you have a paid (well usually s/he is paid :) official to watch all situations. As mentioned many times here, BG is more like golf where there is no official and the players themselves must adjudicate.

I was hoping to have a thread full of comments that agreed with (my) thinking...

Surely you jest! With this crowd? :)

By the way, if any of you play me in a tournament and I make a mistake in your favor, not only will I expect to be held accountable for it, I will refuse any offer you might make to allow me to correct it. And please don't take offense if I hold you to the same standard.

Fair enough, but if you make an illegal move that I see, you will HAVE to correct it because I always enforce "legal moves" on my opponents (unless either I don't see it or it's irrelevent). Reciprocation is neither a requirement nor an expectation.

But what I have learned from this thread is that there are people who I really respect, like Neil and Chuck, who do not think the way I think about this issue.

Glad to have your respect. Since you joined here and I've read your ideas, I've grown respect for you which is not diminished when you disagree with me (and I'm pretty sure that feeling is mutual). People don't always agree -- one of the GOOD things about life.

Messages In This Thread

• Controversy in the Chou
  Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 4:36 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    dlevy -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      KenB -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 5:16 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 9:38 p.m.
        • Rhyme or Reason
          Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 11:03 p.m.
          • Rhyme or Reason
            Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 4:14 p.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Perry Gartner -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 11:07 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Carter Mattig -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:12 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:36 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:45 a.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 11:21 p.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Jason Lee -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:23 p.m.
          • Yes, I do play for fun.
            Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 7:16 p.m.
            • Yes, I do play for fun.
              Jason Lee -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 11:40 p.m.
              • Yes, I do play for fun.
                Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 12:37 a.m.
                • Yes, I do play for fun.
                  Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 12:48 a.m.
                  • Yes, I do play for fun.
                    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 1:38 a.m.
                    • Yes, I do play for fun.
                      Phil Simborg -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 2:30 a.m.
                      • Yes, I do play for fun.
                        Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:49 a.m.
                      • What chou talkin bout Philis?
                        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 5:55 a.m.
                        • What chou talkin bout Philis?
                          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 8:29 a.m.
                          • What chou talkin bout Philis?
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 3:59 p.m.
                        • Legal plays
                          Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 3:49 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:18 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:20 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Chuck Bower -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:36 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 3:48 a.m.
                            • Legal plays
                              Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 8:13 p.m.
                              • Legal plays
                                Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 3:20 p.m.
                                • Legal plays
                                  Frank_N_Stein -- Thursday, 1 October 2009, at 5:40 p.m.
                          • Legal plays
                            Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 4:12 a.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Chuck Bower -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:25 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Carter Mattig -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 3:49 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 4:58 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 5:38 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:18 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 7:22 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 9:49 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    neilkaz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 5:43 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 5:57 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        neilkaz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 7:18 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      lenny -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 11:04 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:04 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 9:54 p.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 2:51 a.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 3:49 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:27 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:59 p.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:26 p.m.
                  • Controversy in the Chou
                    Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:56 p.m.
                    • Controversy in the Chou
                      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 8:50 a.m.
                      • Controversy in the Chou
                        Phil Simborg -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 12:25 p.m.
                        • Controversy in the Chou
                          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:11 p.m.
                          • Controversy in the Chou
                            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:26 p.m.
                            • Controversy in the Chou
                              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
                              • Controversy in the Chou
                                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 4:34 p.m.
                                • Controversy in the Chou
                                  David Kettler -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 5:14 p.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 10:11 p.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:30 a.m.
              • Never mind... question answered. *NM*
                Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:32 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:30 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:29 a.m.
              • This is asinine
                David Rockwell -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:54 a.m.
                • This is asinine
                  rory -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:18 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:46 p.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Carter Mattig -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:49 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:23 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:25 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:11 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:04 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Brad Baker -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 7:02 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 7:39 p.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 8:11 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 6:44 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 8:36 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 26 September 2009, at 10:49 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    David Rockwell -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 12:17 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      David Rockwell -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 12:30 a.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 2:06 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Seth -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:28 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:38 a.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 5:12 a.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 4:01 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 7:47 p.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 9:11 p.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 10:06 p.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 1:08 a.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 1:20 a.m.
                  • Controversy in the Chou
                    Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 1:33 a.m.
                    • Controversy in the Chou
                      Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 3:14 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 11:18 p.m.
                • Controversy in the Chou
                  Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 12:54 a.m.
                  • Controversy in the Chou
                    Frank_N_Stein -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 2:10 a.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 12:45 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Frank_N_Stein -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 2:09 a.m.
              • Controversy in the Chou
                Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 3:27 p.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:04 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    rory -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:16 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:25 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:31 a.m.
      • Controversy in the Chou
        rory -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:45 a.m.
        • Controversy in the Chou
          Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 3:46 p.m.
          • Controversy in the Chou
            Jason Lee -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:21 p.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:37 p.m.
            • Controversy in the Chou
              Carter Mattig -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 5:34 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    rory -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:21 a.m.
    • Controversy in the Chou
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 6:26 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Christian Munk-Christensen -- Sunday, 27 September 2009, at 4:33 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Sam Pottle -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 3:41 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Seth -- Monday, 28 September 2009, at 1:51 p.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 29 September 2009, at 5:01 a.m.
  • Controversy in the Chou
    Stick -- Wednesday, 30 September 2009, at 1:59 a.m.