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You took my suggestion completely out of context

Posted By: phil simborg
Date: Wednesday, 23 April 2014, at 4:35 a.m.

In Response To: I don't think your conclusion follows from your premises (Timothy Chow)

Excellent points, but you are completely missing my point about the luck factor and what I am contending.

My arguments about making the game more complicated and that concept that luck plays too big a factor relates only when the top players in the world compete against each other. I do not mean that this is true or applicable for general competition.

When two of the best players compete against each other, head to head, I believe that luck will determine the winner the huge majority of the time, as both players are playing virtually the same and the differences between them are very small. In this case, something is needed (speed gammon, dual-duel, quizzing, duplicate backgammon, challenge backgammon, random gammon, Nackgammon) to make the game more complex so that the skill differences are likely to be greater and the types of errors and plays made by the players will be different depending on their personal skills.

You have taken my premise out of context and applied it to all backgammon competition. When you get random draws with 2.0 players coming up against 5.0 and 8.0 players I believe all of your points are more valid...however, even then the more complex the game the more likely the better player will win.

I do love the idea that the better player doesn't always win...otherwise, the better players wouldn't have as big a prize pool and the game wouldn't be as much fun to play as it is. But not when you have two players that play almost identically, and I maintain that when you have two players who generally play very close to 3 PR or less, they are pretty much playing the same and it is very little different from watching XG play against XG. It's not only far less interesting and exciting for the spectators, it is pretty much mechanical for the players, and the reward goes to the one who had the better luck. Why not just have them flip a coin and save a lot of time?

Now, I am COMPLETELY WRONG if you can show me a large number of matches between top-rated players where the player with the worse luck wins. I don't believe that is the case.

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