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10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes

Posted By: Timothy Chow
Date: Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:01 p.m.

In Response To: 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes (Sean Garber)

Sean wrote:

I have no idea why the difference in two players PR would be meaningless. Also, if one makes an error at DMP, isn't that going to have a significantly greater cost when measured by MWC than the same error at a 0-0 match score in almost all cases?

The answer to your question here is yes, and that is precisely why subtracting PR is meaningless. What you want to subtract is the equity, and equity is what MWC measures. PR does some weird score-based rescaling, so it doesn't measure equity.

Even for a single game, subtracting PR leads to weirdness because one player could have a lot more decisions than the other player.

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• The most exciting game I've ever seen
  AdamStocks -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:02 a.m.
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    • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
      Marv Porten -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:23 a.m.
      • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
        Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 1:20 p.m.
        • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 4:22 p.m.
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            Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:06 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:47 p.m.
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                Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:33 p.m.
                • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                  Timothy Chow -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 9:35 p.m.
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              Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:35 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Martin -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 9:23 p.m.
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            Stick -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:20 p.m.
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              Michael Petch -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:23 p.m.
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                Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:54 p.m.
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                Stick -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 9:46 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Jason Lee -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:52 p.m.
              • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:56 p.m.
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                garyo -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 8:05 a.m.
              • Victor was right
                Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 8:38 p.m.
                • Victor was right
                  Bob Koca -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 10:02 p.m.
                  • Victor was right
                    AdamStocks -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 11:25 p.m.
                    • Victor was right
                      Martin -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 7:53 a.m.
                      • Victor was right
                        AdamStocks -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 9:15 a.m.
                • Victor was right
                  David Rennie -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 12:25 a.m.
                  • Victor was right
                    AdamStocks -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 1:24 a.m.
          • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
            Christian Plenz -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 9:11 p.m.
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          Sean Garber -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 5:00 p.m.
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            Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 6:26 p.m.
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              Sean Garber -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 10:29 p.m.
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                Casper Van der Tak -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 11:51 p.m.
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                Timothy Chow -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:01 p.m.
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            Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 7:20 p.m.
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              Sean Garber -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 9:29 p.m.
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                  Sean Garber -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:12 p.m.
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                    Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:42 p.m.
          • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
            Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 3:39 a.m.
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    Jeremy Bagai -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:15 a.m.
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      Paul Weaver -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:35 a.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        AdamStocks -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:04 a.m.
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          Art Grater -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:22 a.m.
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            AdamStocks -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:33 a.m.
            • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
              Martin -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:48 a.m.
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        falafel -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:14 a.m.
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        Casper Van der Tak -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:17 a.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        higonefive -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 9:15 a.m.
        • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
          Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:00 p.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        Phil simborg -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:33 a.m.
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        Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 2:04 p.m.
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            Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 3:38 p.m.
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        neilkaz -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 3:34 p.m.
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        garyo -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 7:40 a.m.
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          Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:45 p.m.
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    Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:50 p.m.
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        Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:28 p.m.
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        Martin -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 9:32 p.m.
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        Martin -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 9:36 p.m.
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          Taper_Mike -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 12:11 a.m.
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            Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 12:51 a.m.
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      garyo -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 7:45 a.m.
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        Taper_Mike -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 10:47 a.m.
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      Robert Wachtel -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 10:25 p.m.
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        neilkaz -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:20 p.m.
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            neilkaz -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:56 p.m.
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            Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 7:37 a.m.
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          Colin Owen -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:43 p.m.
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