BGonline.org Forums

10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes

Posted By: Sean Garber
Date: Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 10:29 p.m.

In Response To: 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes (Timothy Chow)

Thanks for your interest, Timothy. I already agree with most of your corrections. Of course, XG does count cube decisions as decisions and does not count inconsequential checker plays as decisions. I also think my statement "my gut instinct says that if someone did do full rollouts on the last game, Mochy's PR would get significantly better" indicates that I too don't really trust XG evaluations on this game either.

I do not agree with your statement,"Also if you're going to try to cancel out equities in this way, you should be using match-winning chances rather than PR. PR is mathematically ill-behaved and subtracting one from the other leads to meaningless results". I will admit that I may not have my brain completely wrapped around what you are getting at here. PR=((equity lost)/(decisions))*500 . I have no idea why the difference in two players PR would be meaningless. Also, if one makes an error at DMP, isn't that going to have a significantly greater cost when measured by MWC than the same error at a 0-0 match score in almost all cases? At the very least, using PR diffences in the way I used them in the post above has to be a decent close-enough-for-horseshoes estimation.

Messages In This Thread

• The most exciting game I've ever seen
  AdamStocks -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:02 a.m.
  • The most exciting game I've ever seen
    AdamStocks -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:07 a.m.
    • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
      Marv Porten -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:23 a.m.
      • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
        Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 1:20 p.m.
        • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 4:22 p.m.
          • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
            Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:06 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:47 p.m.
              • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:33 p.m.
                • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                  Timothy Chow -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 9:35 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:35 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Martin -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 9:23 p.m.
          • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
            Stick -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:20 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Michael Petch -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:23 p.m.
              • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:54 p.m.
              • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                Stick -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 9:46 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Jason Lee -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:52 p.m.
              • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:56 p.m.
              • PR's
                garyo -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 8:05 a.m.
              • Victor was right
                Phil Simborg -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 8:38 p.m.
                • Victor was right
                  Bob Koca -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 10:02 p.m.
                  • Victor was right
                    AdamStocks -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 11:25 p.m.
                    • Victor was right
                      Martin -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 7:53 a.m.
                      • Victor was right
                        AdamStocks -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 9:15 a.m.
                • Victor was right
                  David Rennie -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 12:25 a.m.
                  • Victor was right
                    AdamStocks -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 1:24 a.m.
          • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
            Christian Plenz -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 9:11 p.m.
        • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
          Sean Garber -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 5:00 p.m.
          • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
            Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 6:26 p.m.
            • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
              Sean Garber -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 10:29 p.m.
              • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                Casper Van der Tak -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 11:51 p.m.
              • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
                Timothy Chow -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:01 p.m.
          • synopsis of bot opinions
            Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 7:20 p.m.
            • Spelling
              Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 7:29 p.m.
            • synopsis of bot opinions
              Sean Garber -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 9:29 p.m.
              • synopsis of bot opinions
                Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 9:45 p.m.
                • synopsis of bot opinions
                  Sean Garber -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:12 p.m.
                  • synopsis of bot opinions
                    Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:42 p.m.
          • 10-10/11, they started with 11 and 21 seconds clocktime, and played 30 minutes
            Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 3:39 a.m.
  • The most exciting game I've ever seen
    Jeremy Bagai -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:15 a.m.
    • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
      Paul Weaver -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:35 a.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        AdamStocks -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:04 a.m.
        • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
          Art Grater -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:22 a.m.
          • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
            AdamStocks -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:33 a.m.
            • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
              Martin -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:48 a.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        falafel -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:14 a.m.
      • Do people still think like that nowadays?
        Casper Van der Tak -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:17 a.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        higonefive -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 9:15 a.m.
        • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
          Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:00 p.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        Phil simborg -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:33 a.m.
        • Clarification
          Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 4:11 p.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        Frank Berger -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 1:23 p.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 2:04 p.m.
        • Responding to Tom Keith
          Paul Weaver -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 2:33 p.m.
          • Responding to Tom Keith
            Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 3:38 p.m.
            • Responding to Tom Keith
              Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 8:00 p.m.
        • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
          Maik Stiebler -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:29 p.m.
      • ROFLMAO
        neilkaz -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 3:34 p.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        Barry Silliman -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 3:36 p.m.
      • Bad Sportsmanship To Complicate Game When Opponent Short On Time?
        Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 3:58 p.m.
        • Kit's 1996 World Cup game
          Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 4:33 p.m.
      • Clock management
        garyo -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 7:40 a.m.
    • The most exciting game I've ever seen
      Seth -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 4:35 p.m.
      • The most exciting game I've ever seen
        Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:52 p.m.
        • The most exciting game I've ever seen
          Seth -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:07 p.m.
          • The most exciting game I've ever seen
            Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:14 p.m.
      • The most exciting game I've ever seen
        Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:47 p.m.
  • The most exciting game I've ever seen
    Phil simborg -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:21 a.m.
    • The most exciting game I've ever seen
      AdamStocks -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:48 a.m.
      • The most exciting game I've ever seen
        Alex Schofield -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 12:34 p.m.
        • The most exciting game I've ever seen
          Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 11:45 p.m.
  • clock rules
    Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 5:50 p.m.
    • clock rules
      Barry Silliman -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:11 p.m.
      • clock rules
        Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:35 p.m.
      • clock rules
        Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:41 p.m.
        • clock rules
          Barry Silliman -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 7:01 p.m.
    • clock rules
      Mike Clapsadle -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:37 p.m.
      • clock rules
        Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 6:41 p.m.
      • clock rules
        Mochy -- Sunday, 1 February 2015, at 10:28 p.m.
      • clock rules
        Martin -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 9:32 p.m.
    • clock rules – Mochy & Loero did a pretty good job.
      Taper_Mike -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 5:48 a.m.
      • clock rules – Mochy & Loero did a pretty good job.
        Martin -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 9:36 p.m.
        • clock rules – Mochy & Loero did a pretty good job.
          Taper_Mike -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 12:11 a.m.
          • clock rules – Mochy & Loero did a pretty good job.
            Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 12:51 a.m.
    • clock rules
      garyo -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 7:45 a.m.
      • clock rules
        Taper_Mike -- Monday, 2 February 2015, at 10:47 a.m.
    • clock rules
      Robert Wachtel -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 10:25 p.m.
      • My apologies
        neilkaz -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:20 p.m.
        • Illegal moves & delay time
          Taper_Mike -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:43 p.m.
          • Illegal moves & delay time
            neilkaz -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:56 p.m.
          • Illegal moves & delay time
            Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 7:37 a.m.
        • My apologies
          Colin Owen -- Monday, 9 February 2015, at 11:43 p.m.
        • My apologies
          Robert Wachtel -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 2:59 a.m.
  • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
    Mochy -- Tuesday, 3 February 2015, at 6:03 a.m.
    • Wow, this is the best post of the year here!
      neilkaz -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 12:14 a.m.
      • Wow, this is the best post of the year here!
        Casper Van der Tak -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 1:59 a.m.
        • Wow, this is the best post of the year here!
          mochy -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 9:02 a.m.
          • Wow, this is the best post of the year here!
            Casper Van der Tak -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 9:52 a.m.
            • Wow, this is the best post of the year here!
              Bill Finneran -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 3:00 p.m.
    • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
      Phil simborg -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 4:19 a.m.
      • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 7:33 a.m.
        • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
          Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 3:09 p.m.
          • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
            Coolrey -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 9:21 p.m.
        • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 3:59 p.m.
          • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
            vidvis -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 5:35 p.m.
            • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
              Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 7:46 p.m.
              • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
                vidvis -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 8:06 p.m.
    • What I thought over the board when I double slotted (long)
      Coolrey -- Tuesday, 10 February 2015, at 8:59 p.m.
  • The most exciting game I've ever seen- FYI
    gudgen -- Wednesday, 4 February 2015, at 8:10 p.m.
    • The most exciting game I've ever seen- FYI
      mochy -- Thursday, 5 February 2015, at 1:59 a.m.
    • The most exciting game I've ever seen- FYI
      Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 8 February 2015, at 9:24 a.m.