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Summary of Lehmann views

Posted By: rew
Date: Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 9:54 a.m.

In Response To: Leave PJT alone (alex lehmann)

Alex Lehmann has run bots on GE/P65 for many years.

PJT helped develop those bots or whatever they call it, but not for the purpose of running them on a backgammon site

PJT receives no compensation for these bots

Thus, PJT has no involvement and Sticks accusation is wrong regarding PJT

The bots are somewhat weak, playing with an ER of about 5. This means that good players will just about break even against them when factoring in the rake, while recreational players will lose, but not as quickly as against 'pros' who play with ER's between 1 and 5 some of who cheats by checking snowie etc from time to time

These weak bots are good for the online game because they are always there giving action and thus stimulating action. This is good for the site and also good for recreational players who lose slower than against better opps.

The bots never invite, they just wait. Most people who have half a brain don't invite regulars.

Being an online pro is also cheating of some sort because what you are doing is exploiting weaker players who thinks backgammon is mostly luck.

Being an online pro is no better/different than running bots. You are just not as good at it as he who runs bots

GE/PG65 directly or indirectly tolerated this bot action until recently because the make rake etc.

Messages In This Thread

• Leave PJT alone
  alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:01 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Stick -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:38 a.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:57 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Stick -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:09 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        misja -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:34 a.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          Erik Sørensen -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:50 a.m.
    • A factual question
      Timothy Chow -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:54 p.m.
      • A factual question
        alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:17 p.m.
        • A factual question
          Timothy Chow -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:27 p.m.
          • A factual question
            Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:13 a.m.
            • A factual question
              Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 2:59 a.m.
              • A factual question
                Christian Munk-Christensen -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:44 p.m.
              • A factual question
                Mislav Radica -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 11:47 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:46 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:18 a.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          misja -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
    • Action required?
      Matt Ryder -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:51 a.m.
      • Action required?
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:16 a.m.
        • Action required?
          Erik Sørensen -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:27 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Keene -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:31 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:46 p.m.
  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
    neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:11 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      ragoon -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:16 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:22 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:26 p.m.
      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
        neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:32 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
            neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:43 p.m.
            • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
              alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:52 p.m.
              • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:01 p.m.
                • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                  alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:29 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:40 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    misja -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:51 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:47 p.m.
                      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                        Keene -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:56 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    jdg -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:32 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    Dan Pelton -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:36 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:14 a.m.
                      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                        Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:57 a.m.
                        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                          Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:05 a.m.
                          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                            garyo -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:04 a.m.
              • You can redact the monetary items **NM** *NM*
                rod -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:28 p.m.
              • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                mtuhtan -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:25 p.m.
          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
            ragoon -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:44 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:33 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          Christian Munk-Christensen -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:43 p.m.
  • p65
    garyo -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:24 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:15 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:36 p.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:51 p.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:47 p.m.
          • Leave PJT alone
            Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:48 p.m.
          • Leave PJT alone
            Alex Lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 11:27 p.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Ian Shaw -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:07 a.m.
              • Leave PJT alone
                Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:51 a.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Alfred Mamlet -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:05 a.m.
                  • Leave PJT alone
                    Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 3:05 a.m.
                    • Leave PJT alone
                      Ray Kershaw -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:48 a.m.
                    • Leave PJT alone
                      Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:15 p.m.
                      • Leave PJT alone
                        Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:03 p.m.
                        • Higher ER can produce higher win rate by design
                          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:21 p.m.
                        • Leave PJT alone
                          Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 6:26 p.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:27 a.m.
                  • Leave PJT alone
                    Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 3:00 a.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:55 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:13 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:44 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 2:25 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:29 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:34 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Mislav Radica -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 11:10 p.m.
  • it matters not who the pimp is ...
    garyo -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:02 a.m.
  • Summary of Lehmann views
    rew -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 9:54 a.m.
    • Ty Rew
      Iancho Hristov -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:28 p.m.
    • Summary of Lehmann views
      Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:41 p.m.
      • Summary of Lehmann views
        Keene -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:57 p.m.
        • Summary of Lehmann views
          Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 6:39 p.m.
          • Summary of Lehmann views
            Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:12 p.m.
            • Summary of Lehmann views
              Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:51 p.m.
    • Bot Nick Q and Rather Long 2 Cents
      mamabear -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:27 p.m.
      • Werner von Braun
        joe freedman -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 3:50 a.m.
        • Werner von Braun
          mamabear -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 10:21 a.m.
          • Werner von Braun
            joe freedman -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 4:12 p.m.
            • Wernher von Braun
              mamabear -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 5:43 p.m.
              • Wernher von Braun
                joe freedman -- Thursday, 3 December 2009, at 2:40 a.m.
                • Wernher von Braun
                  Bill Riles -- Thursday, 3 December 2009, at 3:24 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    sonrik -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 9:13 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    samir -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 2:09 a.m.