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Summary of Lehmann views

Posted By: Rich Munitz
Date: Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:51 p.m.

In Response To: Summary of Lehmann views (Frank_N_Stein)

"The more I think about this the more I feel you created a pro list not because you wanted to give them a free ride, but moreso to not have P65 and your scheme discovered. "

Not true. This is very simple and in effect, Alex has already answered this. The reason to exclude pros from play is not to protect them from the bots, but to protect the bots from them. The bot cannot expect to make a profit playing pros, particularly after the rake. And since Alex was responsible for the financial losses of the bots, why would he want to have them play against players that it is known will result in a net loss?

GamesGrid had bots that played for money. But they did it out in the open, clearly giving the bots nicks that included the word "bot", giving them a special "bot" icon, informing the public which bot played at which GNU ply, and informing the public what person was financially backing the bots. All the information was right there for all to see, fully transparent on the bot's player profiles. Yet despite all of this information, people would play the bots for money. And there's nothing at all wrong with that.

That is how it should be done at P65 if it is felt that bots are good for the site.

Messages In This Thread

• Leave PJT alone
  alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:01 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Stick -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:38 a.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:57 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Stick -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:09 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        misja -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:34 a.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          Erik Sørensen -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:50 a.m.
    • A factual question
      Timothy Chow -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:54 p.m.
      • A factual question
        alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:17 p.m.
        • A factual question
          Timothy Chow -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:27 p.m.
          • A factual question
            Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:13 a.m.
            • A factual question
              Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 2:59 a.m.
              • A factual question
                Christian Munk-Christensen -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:44 p.m.
              • A factual question
                Mislav Radica -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 11:47 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:46 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:18 a.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          misja -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
    • Action required?
      Matt Ryder -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:51 a.m.
      • Action required?
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:16 a.m.
        • Action required?
          Erik Sørensen -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:27 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Keene -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:31 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:46 p.m.
  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
    neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:11 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      ragoon -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:16 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:22 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:26 p.m.
      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
        neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:32 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
            neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:43 p.m.
            • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
              alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:52 p.m.
              • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:01 p.m.
                • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                  alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:29 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:40 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    misja -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:51 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:47 p.m.
                      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                        Keene -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:56 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    jdg -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:32 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    Dan Pelton -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:36 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:14 a.m.
                      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                        Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:57 a.m.
                        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                          Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:05 a.m.
                          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                            garyo -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:04 a.m.
              • You can redact the monetary items **NM** *NM*
                rod -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:28 p.m.
              • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                mtuhtan -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:25 p.m.
          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
            ragoon -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:44 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:33 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          Christian Munk-Christensen -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:43 p.m.
  • p65
    garyo -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:24 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:15 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:36 p.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:51 p.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:47 p.m.
          • Leave PJT alone
            Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:48 p.m.
          • Leave PJT alone
            Alex Lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 11:27 p.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Ian Shaw -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:07 a.m.
              • Leave PJT alone
                Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:51 a.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Alfred Mamlet -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:05 a.m.
                  • Leave PJT alone
                    Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 3:05 a.m.
                    • Leave PJT alone
                      Ray Kershaw -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:48 a.m.
                    • Leave PJT alone
                      Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:15 p.m.
                      • Leave PJT alone
                        Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:03 p.m.
                        • Higher ER can produce higher win rate by design
                          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:21 p.m.
                        • Leave PJT alone
                          Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 6:26 p.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:27 a.m.
                  • Leave PJT alone
                    Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 3:00 a.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:55 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:13 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:44 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 2:25 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:29 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:34 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Mislav Radica -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 11:10 p.m.
  • it matters not who the pimp is ...
    garyo -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:02 a.m.
  • Summary of Lehmann views
    rew -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 9:54 a.m.
    • Ty Rew
      Iancho Hristov -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:28 p.m.
    • Summary of Lehmann views
      Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:41 p.m.
      • Summary of Lehmann views
        Keene -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:57 p.m.
        • Summary of Lehmann views
          Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 6:39 p.m.
          • Summary of Lehmann views
            Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:12 p.m.
            • Summary of Lehmann views
              Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:51 p.m.
    • Bot Nick Q and Rather Long 2 Cents
      mamabear -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:27 p.m.
      • Werner von Braun
        joe freedman -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 3:50 a.m.
        • Werner von Braun
          mamabear -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 10:21 a.m.
          • Werner von Braun
            joe freedman -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 4:12 p.m.
            • Wernher von Braun
              mamabear -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 5:43 p.m.
              • Wernher von Braun
                joe freedman -- Thursday, 3 December 2009, at 2:40 a.m.
                • Wernher von Braun
                  Bill Riles -- Thursday, 3 December 2009, at 3:24 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    sonrik -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 9:13 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    samir -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 2:09 a.m.