BGonline.org Forums

Summary of Lehmann views

Posted By: Frank_N_Stein
Date: Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:12 p.m.

In Response To: Summary of Lehmann views (Frank_N_Stein)

I forgot to add - the point I was trying to make is (imho) I do not think the pro who is making a living at the game wants to fool with stakes of $5 or less.

For me, I would have to win 50 points at $5pt five days a week to begin to think about it. A rough estimate of 40pts for profit and 10pts for rake. That would give me a $1,000 US a week.

As the pro continues on his/her winning ways their rating starts to rise in direct proportion. The higher rating would decrease the available pool of players making it harder to find games to achieve the daily goals. Also, as the rating increases the increased rake percentages becomes a problem for the higher rated player.

I played GammonEmpire in the past. A friend and I tried to reduce my rating by my losing to him on purpose over a length of time. Our stakes were small and the only thing it cost me was the rake. He would give me back whatever money I lost to him. We quickly learned it is not easy to drop ones rating without being expensive.

I could realy be wrong, but this leads me to think the pro does not want to waste his/her time like this.

On the other hand, a bot running 24/7 can easily rob the unsuspecting player blind. The bot does not have to worry about ratings. Once the rating rises you simply unplug that bot and replace it with a new one. The rating always stays down this way. Or, P65 simply allows the name of the player to change along with a new rating. No way either one of these would ever happen, right?

Sorry Alex, I do not buy into your arguement at all that you provided the recreational player a means of enjoyment. what you did was rob them blindly without ever pointing a gun to their head.

The more I think about this the more I feel you created a pro list not because you wanted to give them a free ride, but moreso to not have P65 and your scheme discovered. You flew under the radar is more like the real story.

Messages In This Thread

• Leave PJT alone
  alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:01 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Stick -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:38 a.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:57 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Stick -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:09 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        misja -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:34 a.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          Erik Sørensen -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:50 a.m.
    • A factual question
      Timothy Chow -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:54 p.m.
      • A factual question
        alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:17 p.m.
        • A factual question
          Timothy Chow -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:27 p.m.
          • A factual question
            Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:13 a.m.
            • A factual question
              Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 2:59 a.m.
              • A factual question
                Christian Munk-Christensen -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:44 p.m.
              • A factual question
                Mislav Radica -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 11:47 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:46 a.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:18 a.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          misja -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
    • Action required?
      Matt Ryder -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:51 a.m.
      • Action required?
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:16 a.m.
        • Action required?
          Erik Sørensen -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:27 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Keene -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:31 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 3:46 p.m.
  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
    neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:11 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      ragoon -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:16 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:22 p.m.
    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:26 p.m.
      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
        neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:32 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
            neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:43 p.m.
            • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
              alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:52 p.m.
              • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:01 p.m.
                • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                  alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:29 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    neilkaz -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:40 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    misja -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 5:51 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:47 p.m.
                      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                        Keene -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:56 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    jdg -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:32 p.m.
                  • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                    Dan Pelton -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:36 p.m.
                    • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                      Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:14 a.m.
                      • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                        Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:57 a.m.
                        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                          Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:05 a.m.
                          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                            garyo -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:04 a.m.
              • You can redact the monetary items **NM** *NM*
                rod -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 6:28 p.m.
              • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
                mtuhtan -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:25 p.m.
          • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
            ragoon -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:44 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:33 p.m.
        • So you were paid by P65 to provide bots.. PROVE IT !!
          Christian Munk-Christensen -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:43 p.m.
  • p65
    garyo -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 4:24 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:15 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      alex lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:36 p.m.
      • Leave PJT alone
        Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 7:51 p.m.
        • Leave PJT alone
          Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 8:47 p.m.
          • Leave PJT alone
            Frank_N_Stein -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 10:48 p.m.
          • Leave PJT alone
            Alex Lehmann -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 11:27 p.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Ian Shaw -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:07 a.m.
              • Leave PJT alone
                Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:51 a.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Alfred Mamlet -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:05 a.m.
                  • Leave PJT alone
                    Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 3:05 a.m.
                    • Leave PJT alone
                      Ray Kershaw -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 10:48 a.m.
                    • Leave PJT alone
                      Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:15 p.m.
                      • Leave PJT alone
                        Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:03 p.m.
                        • Higher ER can produce higher win rate by design
                          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:21 p.m.
                        • Leave PJT alone
                          Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 6:26 p.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:27 a.m.
                  • Leave PJT alone
                    Alex Lehmann -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 3:00 a.m.
                • Leave PJT alone
                  Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 1:55 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:13 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Dan Pelton -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:44 a.m.
            • Leave PJT alone
              Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 2:25 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:29 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 9:34 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    Mislav Radica -- Monday, 30 November 2009, at 11:10 p.m.
  • it matters not who the pimp is ...
    garyo -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 8:02 a.m.
  • Summary of Lehmann views
    rew -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 9:54 a.m.
    • Ty Rew
      Iancho Hristov -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 12:28 p.m.
    • Summary of Lehmann views
      Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:41 p.m.
      • Summary of Lehmann views
        Keene -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:57 p.m.
        • Summary of Lehmann views
          Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 6:39 p.m.
          • Summary of Lehmann views
            Frank_N_Stein -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:12 p.m.
            • Summary of Lehmann views
              Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 7:51 p.m.
    • Bot Nick Q and Rather Long 2 Cents
      mamabear -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 5:27 p.m.
      • Werner von Braun
        joe freedman -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 3:50 a.m.
        • Werner von Braun
          mamabear -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 10:21 a.m.
          • Werner von Braun
            joe freedman -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 4:12 p.m.
            • Wernher von Braun
              mamabear -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 5:43 p.m.
              • Wernher von Braun
                joe freedman -- Thursday, 3 December 2009, at 2:40 a.m.
                • Wernher von Braun
                  Bill Riles -- Thursday, 3 December 2009, at 3:24 a.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    sonrik -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
    • Leave PJT alone
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 1 December 2009, at 9:13 p.m.
  • Leave PJT alone
    samir -- Wednesday, 2 December 2009, at 2:09 a.m.