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The next major revolution in backgammon bots

Posted By: Steve Mellen
Date: Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 2:12 a.m.

In Response To: The next major revolution in backgammon bots (Timothy Chow)

Are we accepting that backgammon is basically "solved" by the current leading-edge programs, which is why we are looking for additional challenges beyond "solving" the game?

Someday, inevitably, processors will be powerful enough to allow computers to brute-force backgammon (and chess, etc.) from start to finish. Many top players, particularly those who fetishize opening-move rollouts, seem confident that today's bot results are very close to that optimal solution we will have someday. But what is the source of their confidence? Is it just a "feeling" that today's bots have the game figured out, or is it something that can be demonstrated?

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• The next major revolution in backgammon bots
  Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 12:02 a.m.
  • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
    RobertFontaine -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 12:12 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 12:39 a.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        eXtreme Gammon -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 1:56 a.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 4:53 p.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            Michael Petch -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 5:07 p.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            eXtreme Gammon -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 5:25 p.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 9:07 p.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 5:40 p.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Jason Lee -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 12:57 a.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        RobertFontaine -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 1:03 a.m.
        • For example 42P-43 *NM*
          RobertFontaine -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 1:08 a.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Stick -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 1:54 a.m.
  • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
    Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 2:01 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 5:22 p.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 8:59 p.m.
  • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
    Steve Mellen -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 2:12 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Stick -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 2:20 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 5:27 p.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 8:55 p.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        Michael Petch -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 9:58 p.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 11:52 p.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Frank Berger -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 8:24 p.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 11:33 p.m.
            • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
              Jason Lee -- Friday, 11 May 2012, at 1:29 a.m.
            • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
              Frank Berger -- Friday, 11 May 2012, at 6:02 a.m.
            • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
              Sam Pottle -- Thursday, 17 May 2012, at 5:44 a.m.
              • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
                Timothy Chow -- Friday, 18 May 2012, at 12:01 a.m.
                • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
                  Snowie's Revenge -- Friday, 18 May 2012, at 12:45 a.m.
              • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
                Bob Koca -- Friday, 18 May 2012, at 1:27 a.m.
                • OT: Practical consequences of P = NP
                  Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 19 May 2012, at 9:31 p.m.
  • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
    Stein Kulseth -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 10:11 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 9 May 2012, at 5:29 p.m.
  • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
    Jake Jacobs -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 5:59 a.m.
  • Degree of Difficulty Evaluation
    Perry Gartner -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 11:16 a.m.
    • Degree of Difficulty Evaluation
      Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 12:06 p.m.
    • Degree of Difficulty Evaluation
      6stones -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 10:30 p.m.
    • Degree of Difficulty Evaluation
      Snowie's Revenge -- Friday, 18 May 2012, at 1:15 a.m.
  • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
    Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 1:37 p.m.
    • Spacial Temporal Reasoning As the Crow flies *NM*
      Mr Majestyk -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 2:59 p.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 3:47 p.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 7:23 p.m.
        • SPAM!! *NM*
          mtuhtan -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 8:53 p.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          rew -- Friday, 11 May 2012, at 10:09 a.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          higonefive -- Wednesday, 16 May 2012, at 5:45 p.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        6stones -- Thursday, 10 May 2012, at 9:02 p.m.
  • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
    Rico -- Friday, 11 May 2012, at 3:41 p.m.
  • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
    Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 3:59 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Stick -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 4:07 a.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 4:17 a.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 4:20 a.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Stick -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 4:23 a.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 4:41 a.m.
            • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
              Frank Berger -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 5:36 p.m.
              • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
                Stick -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 7:02 p.m.
                • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
                  Frank Berger -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 8:18 p.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 5:12 a.m.
            • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
              Pilgrim -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 7:49 a.m.
              • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
                Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 8:05 a.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Stick -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 5:13 a.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 5:28 a.m.
            • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
              Stick -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 5:30 a.m.
            • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
              Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 6:57 a.m.
              • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
                Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 7:23 a.m.
                • Luck? Opening rolls?
                  mtuhtan -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 7:36 a.m.
                  • Luck? Opening rolls?
                    Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 8:01 a.m.
                    • Luck? Opening rolls?
                      mtuhtan -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 8:20 a.m.
                      • Luck? Opening rolls?
                        Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 8:38 a.m.
                • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
                  Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 10:18 a.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            Bob koca -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 12:56 a.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          steve -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 5:57 a.m.
          • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
            Michael Petch -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 6:01 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      BenF -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 6:32 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 8:31 a.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        Stick -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 9:04 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Sam Pottle -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 9:23 a.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots +1
        Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 2:21 p.m.
        • echo echo
          happyjuggler0 -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 3:39 p.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Christian Munk-Christensen -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 11:22 a.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        mamabear -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 7:03 p.m.
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      higonefive -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 1:31 p.m.
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        mamabear -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 7:21 p.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      neilkaz -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 1:38 p.m.
      • You say you want a revolution....
        David Rennie -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 2:22 p.m.
        • You say you want a revolution....
          Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 4:11 p.m.
          • You say you want a revolution....
            David Rennie -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 7:31 p.m.
            • You say you want a revolution....
              Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 12:30 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Mr Majestyk -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 3:02 p.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 3:45 p.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        higonefive -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 5:28 p.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        David Rennie -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 6:53 p.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 10:56 p.m.
    • Home for this new bot
      mamabear -- Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 7:04 p.m.
    • Late April Fools' Day...
      Michael Petch -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 2:29 a.m.
      • Late April Fools' Day...
        happyjuggler0 -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 2:50 p.m.
      • Late April Fools' Day...
        Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 3:14 p.m.
        • Late April Fools' Day...
          Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 6:32 p.m.
          • Late April Fools' Day...
            Stick -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 7:05 p.m.
            • Late April Fools' Day...
              Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 9:01 p.m.
              • Late April Fools' Day...
                Bob koca -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 9:06 p.m.
                • Late April Fools' Day...
                  Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 9:10 p.m.
                  • Late April Fools' Day...
                    Stick -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 9:24 p.m.
                    • Late April Fools' Day...
                      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 23 May 2012, at 9:35 p.m.
                      • Late April Fools' Day...
                        Casper van der Tak -- Thursday, 24 May 2012, at 5:05 a.m.
                        • Late April Fools' Day...
                          Henrik Bukkjaer -- Thursday, 24 May 2012, at 1:11 p.m.
                          • Late April Fools' Day...
                            Henrik Bukkjaer -- Thursday, 24 May 2012, at 1:47 p.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      leobueno -- Sunday, 11 January 2015, at 6:42 p.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        Michael Petch -- Sunday, 11 January 2015, at 7:03 p.m.
        • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
          Bob Koca -- Monday, 12 January 2015, at 12:17 a.m.
    • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
      Dmitriy Obukhov -- Monday, 12 January 2015, at 1:49 a.m.
      • The next major revolution in backgammon bots
        Michael Petch -- Monday, 12 January 2015, at 2:53 a.m.