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Luck? Opening rolls?

Posted By: Maik Stiebler
Date: Tuesday, 22 May 2012, at 8:38 a.m.

In Response To: Luck? Opening rolls? (mtuhtan)

But if XG says he played PR 0,0 and your engine played PR 18,8 (600 Elo difference), I don't see how your engine could have a positive result without luckier rolls (by XG's view)

That's absolutely what you would expect if XG is overplayed and has no clue what is going on. By construction, luck has to converge to zero if good random dice are used. That does not depend on the point of view.

Which doesn't mean that I don't believe that the ACN is a chimera.

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