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Early v. Late Round Byes

Posted By: Henrik Bukkjaer
Date: Friday, 20 December 2013, at 12:53 a.m.

In Response To: Early v. Late Round Byes (Bob Koca)

>> from an equity standpoint ... should not simultaneously be totally fine with first round byes remains.

Completely agree!

I just feel it's a bit worse to have it in late rounds. So if you have to choose between two bad things, I'd go for the early one.

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I also think that you should keep in mind the PURPOSE of the tournament in question. Is it an official championship tournament where you focus on people having the same chance to win a trophy (then you should not be able to buy your way to an extra round, etc.). OR is it a tournament where money/equity is in focus, then you need to even out any equity gains some players might get because of a tournament system flaw - such as selling byes to fill up a tournament tree at any full starting point.

Messages In This Thread

• CT tournament review - brief
  Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:09 a.m.
  • CT tournament review - brief
    Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 11:53 a.m.
    • CT tournament review - brief
      Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 12:24 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Michael Petch -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 12:47 p.m.
        • CT tournament review - brief
          mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 1:01 p.m.
          • CT tournament review - brief
            Michael Petch -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 2:32 p.m.
          • No Calcutta
            Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:23 p.m.
            • No Calcutta
              Keene -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:43 p.m.
              • No Calcutta
                Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:33 p.m.
              • No Calcutta
                Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:46 p.m.
              • No Calcutta
                MishyPoo -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:51 p.m.
                • No Calcutta
                  neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:57 p.m.
                • No Calcutta
                  Michael Petch -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:07 p.m.
                  • No Calcutta
                    MishyPoo -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:38 p.m.
                    • No Calcutta
                      neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:26 p.m.
            • No Calcutta
              Neal Weiner -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:09 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 12:54 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 2:06 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 2:21 p.m.
        • CT tournament review - brief
          mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:01 p.m.
          • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
            Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:26 p.m.
            • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
              Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:44 p.m.
            • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
              mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:40 p.m.
              • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
                Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:43 p.m.
                • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
                  mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 9:05 p.m.
        • CT tournament review - brief
          Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 11:56 p.m.
          • CT tournament review - brief
            Rod -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:17 a.m.
    • CT tournament review - brief
      Jake Jacobs -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:51 a.m.
    • Early v. Late Round Byes
      Henrik Bukkjaer -- Wednesday, 27 November 2013, at 12:57 a.m.
      • Early v. Late Round Byes
        storm -- Monday, 16 December 2013, at 10:43 a.m.
        • Early v. Late Round Byes
          Henrik Bukkjaer -- Monday, 16 December 2013, at 11:25 a.m.
          • Early v. Late Round Byes
            storm -- Thursday, 2 October 2014, at 2:50 p.m.
      • Early v. Late Round Byes
        Bob Koca -- Thursday, 19 December 2013, at 5:18 p.m.
        • Early v. Late Round Byes
          Henrik Bukkjaer -- Friday, 20 December 2013, at 12:53 a.m.
          • Early v. Late Round Byes
            Taper_Mike -- Friday, 20 December 2013, at 8:58 a.m.
  • CT tournament review - brief
    David Rockwell -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:01 p.m.
    • CT tournament review - brief
      Keene -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:16 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Colin Owen -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:24 a.m.
    • Ross and next year
      Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:04 p.m.
      • Ross and next year
        David Rockwell -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:46 p.m.
        • Ross and next year
          neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 10:31 p.m.
          • Ross and next year
            mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 11:41 p.m.
          • Ft lauderdale masters - same issue
            Rod -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:15 a.m.
            • Ft lauderdale masters - same issue
              Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:26 a.m.
            • Ft lauderdale masters - same issue
              neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 4:12 p.m.
  • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
    neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:38 p.m.
    • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
      mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:50 p.m.
      • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
        neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:24 p.m.
        • Exactly
          Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:39 p.m.
        • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
          mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:59 p.m.
          • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
            neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 10:08 p.m.
            • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
              mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 11:38 p.m.
    • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
      Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:30 p.m.
      • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
        neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:38 p.m.
        • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
          Tom Keith -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:50 p.m.
        • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
          Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:33 p.m.
          • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
            Matt Reklaitis -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:42 p.m.
            • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
              Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:04 a.m.
              • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
                David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 1:05 a.m.
          • Neither Neil, David nor I are idiots
            Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:54 p.m.
            • Neither Neil, David nor I are idiots
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:47 a.m.
              • Neither Neil, David nor I are idiots
                neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:56 a.m.
              • Neither Neil, David nor I are idiots
                David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:15 a.m.
          • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
            neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 10:03 p.m.
            • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
              David Presser -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 5:15 a.m.
          • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
            David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:34 a.m.
    • Early vs late round byes
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:59 a.m.
      • Early vs late round byes
        David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:34 a.m.
        • Early vs late round byes
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:56 a.m.
          • Early vs late round byes
            David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 4:37 a.m.
      • Early vs late round byes - spectators
        Casper Van der Tak -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:43 a.m.
        • Early vs late round byes - spectators
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 4:00 a.m.
          • Early vs late round byes - spectators
            Casper Van der Tak -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 4:13 a.m.
      • Early vs late round byes
        Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 8:47 a.m.
      • Early vs late round byes, some math for single elim
        neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 6:29 p.m.
        • Early vs late round byes, some math for single elim
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 7:05 p.m.
          • Early vs late round byes, some math for single elim
            neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 7:14 p.m.
        • Auctioning late round byes is fairer
          Casper Van der Tak -- Wednesday, 30 October 2013, at 12:28 a.m.
          • Auctioning late round byes is fairer
            neilkaz -- Wednesday, 30 October 2013, at 3:40 p.m.
    • This could have been much worse.
      mamabear -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 11:08 a.m.
      • This could have been much worse.
        Taper_Mike -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 11:40 a.m.
        • This could have been much worse.
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 5:55 p.m.
  • All Byes Should Be Compensated
    Taper_Mike -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 10:12 a.m.
  • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
    Bill Finneran -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 1:51 p.m.
    • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
      Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:30 p.m.
      • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
        David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:56 p.m.
      • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
        neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:41 p.m.
    • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
      Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:39 p.m.
      • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:16 p.m.
        • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
          Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 30 October 2013, at 12:27 p.m.
    • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
      Art Grater -- Sunday, 3 November 2013, at 5:28 a.m.
      • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
        Bob Koca -- Sunday, 3 November 2013, at 3:43 p.m.
        • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
          Art Grater -- Sunday, 3 November 2013, at 9:06 p.m.
  • CT tournament review - brief
    roadkillbooks -- Wednesday, 30 October 2013, at 4:06 a.m.