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Early v. Late Round Byes

Posted By: Taper_Mike
Date: Friday, 20 December 2013, at 8:58 a.m.

In Response To: Early v. Late Round Byes (Henrik Bukkjaer)

If you do not want to "sell" byes to the "rich," what would you say to this arrangement?

• All entries cost the same.
• Byes are drawn at random, and awarded at the first opportunity.
• Anyone not receiving a bye recieves a partial refund of the entry fee carefully calculated so the that byes are "priced fairly."

It is relatively straightforward to calculate the exact value of a bye. I have done so for both elimination tournaments and fighters brackets.

You could handle the same arrangement by drawing byes at random, and then applying a surcharge to anyone who receive one, but the psychology is not as nice.

I am on record stating that I believe *all* byes should be priced fairly. This scheme is one way to do that.

Mike

Messages In This Thread

• CT tournament review - brief
  Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:09 a.m.
  • CT tournament review - brief
    Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 11:53 a.m.
    • CT tournament review - brief
      Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 12:24 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Michael Petch -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 12:47 p.m.
        • CT tournament review - brief
          mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 1:01 p.m.
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            Michael Petch -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 2:32 p.m.
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            Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:23 p.m.
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              Keene -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:43 p.m.
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                Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:33 p.m.
              • No Calcutta
                Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:46 p.m.
              • No Calcutta
                MishyPoo -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:51 p.m.
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                  neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:57 p.m.
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                  Michael Petch -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:07 p.m.
                  • No Calcutta
                    MishyPoo -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:38 p.m.
                    • No Calcutta
                      neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:26 p.m.
            • No Calcutta
              Neal Weiner -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 5:09 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 12:54 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 2:06 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 2:21 p.m.
        • CT tournament review - brief
          mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:01 p.m.
          • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
            Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:26 p.m.
            • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
              Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 4:44 p.m.
            • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
              mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:40 p.m.
              • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
                Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:43 p.m.
                • Hedge/settlement for non-bye loser?
                  mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 9:05 p.m.
        • CT tournament review - brief
          Jason Lee -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 11:56 p.m.
          • CT tournament review - brief
            Rod -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:17 a.m.
    • CT tournament review - brief
      Jake Jacobs -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:51 a.m.
    • Early v. Late Round Byes
      Henrik Bukkjaer -- Wednesday, 27 November 2013, at 12:57 a.m.
      • Early v. Late Round Byes
        storm -- Monday, 16 December 2013, at 10:43 a.m.
        • Early v. Late Round Byes
          Henrik Bukkjaer -- Monday, 16 December 2013, at 11:25 a.m.
          • Early v. Late Round Byes
            storm -- Thursday, 2 October 2014, at 2:50 p.m.
      • Early v. Late Round Byes
        Bob Koca -- Thursday, 19 December 2013, at 5:18 p.m.
        • Early v. Late Round Byes
          Henrik Bukkjaer -- Friday, 20 December 2013, at 12:53 a.m.
          • Early v. Late Round Byes
            Taper_Mike -- Friday, 20 December 2013, at 8:58 a.m.
  • CT tournament review - brief
    David Rockwell -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:01 p.m.
    • CT tournament review - brief
      Keene -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:16 p.m.
      • CT tournament review - brief
        Colin Owen -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:24 a.m.
    • Ross and next year
      Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:04 p.m.
      • Ross and next year
        David Rockwell -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:46 p.m.
        • Ross and next year
          neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 10:31 p.m.
          • Ross and next year
            mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 11:41 p.m.
          • Ft lauderdale masters - same issue
            Rod -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:15 a.m.
            • Ft lauderdale masters - same issue
              Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:26 a.m.
            • Ft lauderdale masters - same issue
              neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 4:12 p.m.
  • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
    neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:38 p.m.
    • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
      mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 6:50 p.m.
      • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
        neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:24 p.m.
        • Exactly
          Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:39 p.m.
        • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
          mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:59 p.m.
          • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
            neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 10:08 p.m.
            • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
              mamabear -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 11:38 p.m.
    • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
      Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:30 p.m.
      • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
        neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:38 p.m.
        • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
          Tom Keith -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 7:50 p.m.
        • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
          Bob Koca -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:33 p.m.
          • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
            Matt Reklaitis -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:42 p.m.
            • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
              Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:04 a.m.
              • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
                David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 1:05 a.m.
          • Neither Neil, David nor I are idiots
            Rod -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 8:54 p.m.
            • Neither Neil, David nor I are idiots
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:47 a.m.
              • Neither Neil, David nor I are idiots
                neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:56 a.m.
              • Neither Neil, David nor I are idiots
                David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:15 a.m.
          • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
            neilkaz -- Monday, 28 October 2013, at 10:03 p.m.
            • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
              David Presser -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 5:15 a.m.
          • WOW ..an uncompensated bye was given into the finals of an ABT event!!
            David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 12:34 a.m.
    • Early vs late round byes
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:59 a.m.
      • Early vs late round byes
        David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:34 a.m.
        • Early vs late round byes
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:56 a.m.
          • Early vs late round byes
            David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 4:37 a.m.
      • Early vs late round byes - spectators
        Casper Van der Tak -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:43 a.m.
        • Early vs late round byes - spectators
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 4:00 a.m.
          • Early vs late round byes - spectators
            Casper Van der Tak -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 4:13 a.m.
      • Early vs late round byes
        Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 8:47 a.m.
      • Early vs late round byes, some math for single elim
        neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 6:29 p.m.
        • Early vs late round byes, some math for single elim
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 7:05 p.m.
          • Early vs late round byes, some math for single elim
            neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 7:14 p.m.
        • Auctioning late round byes is fairer
          Casper Van der Tak -- Wednesday, 30 October 2013, at 12:28 a.m.
          • Auctioning late round byes is fairer
            neilkaz -- Wednesday, 30 October 2013, at 3:40 p.m.
    • This could have been much worse.
      mamabear -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 11:08 a.m.
      • This could have been much worse.
        Taper_Mike -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 11:40 a.m.
        • This could have been much worse.
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 5:55 p.m.
  • All Byes Should Be Compensated
    Taper_Mike -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 10:12 a.m.
  • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
    Bill Finneran -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 1:51 p.m.
    • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
      Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:30 p.m.
      • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
        David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:56 p.m.
      • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
        neilkaz -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:41 p.m.
    • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
      Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 2:39 p.m.
      • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 29 October 2013, at 3:16 p.m.
        • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
          Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 30 October 2013, at 12:27 p.m.
    • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
      Art Grater -- Sunday, 3 November 2013, at 5:28 a.m.
      • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
        Bob Koca -- Sunday, 3 November 2013, at 3:43 p.m.
        • Solution - Auction the Byes in the first round!!!
          Art Grater -- Sunday, 3 November 2013, at 9:06 p.m.
  • CT tournament review - brief
    roadkillbooks -- Wednesday, 30 October 2013, at 4:06 a.m.