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What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?

Posted By: sebalotek
Date: Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 9:37 p.m.

In Response To: What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins? (Colin Owen)

I'm glad my original question has sparked some good debate and ideas.. the subject seems to be something many people feel strongly about.

I agree with Casper that

Neil's [i.e. double robin robin with both 11 and 9 point matches]

and Colin's [two 'best of 3' to 5 points ... each match would be won either 2-0 or 2-1]

recent suggestions sound like potentially improved and viable alternatives.

----------------------- In order to move on from the many different personal opinions and generate some hard and indisputable data, do we have any skilled programmers / statisticians in the community who could create and run some sort of comparative modelling on the effectiveness of these two ideas in reducing draws in like-for-like scenarios? For example in a 4 player double round robin situation (6 PvP meetings each). Maybe by assigning random scores to each match and running a decent number of season simulations?

The only other thing is, the infrastructure of the our chosen hosting website does not currently support either of these two proposed systems out of the box. And although I have had some contact with the Developers, it should be noted that whether or not they will implement any idea, however superior it may turn out to be, is beyond my immediate control. For now SBLeague will continue with the site preset "Points - Score difference - Score for"

N.B. FIBSleague uses

1) Total Score.

2) More Wins, if same score.

3) Accumulated score [based on league points W3-D0-L1] of defeated players

I don't recall seeing any negative feedback on the FIBS system. If it's also good, this option might be worth evaluating as well..

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• What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
  sebalotek -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 9:53 a.m.
  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
    Casper Van der Tak -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 12:04 p.m.
    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
      sebalotek -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 1:06 p.m.
      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
        Casper Van der Tak -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 1:53 p.m.
  • The possibility of a tie is why I don't care for round robins
    Ken Larsen -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 12:17 p.m.
    • The possibility of a tie is why I don't care for round robins
      sebalotek -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 1:29 p.m.
      • The possibility of a tie is why I don't care for round robins
        Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 3:10 p.m.
        • The possibility of a tie is why I don't care for round robins
          sebalotek -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 3:54 p.m.
  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
    David Levy -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 1:57 p.m.
    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
      Casper Van der Tak -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 2:29 p.m.
      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
        sebalotek -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 3:28 p.m.
        • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
          neilkaz -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 4:03 p.m.
    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
      sebalotek -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 3:08 p.m.
      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
        David Levy -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 4:33 p.m.
        • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
          sebalotek -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 6:52 p.m.
  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
    neilkaz -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 2:52 p.m.
    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins? +1
      Bill Riles -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 8:02 p.m.
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    Rick Janowski -- Thursday, 22 September 2016, at 9:50 p.m.
    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
      sebalotek -- Friday, 23 September 2016, at 5:38 a.m.
  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
    Colin Owen -- Friday, 23 September 2016, at 12:55 a.m.
    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
      sebalotek -- Friday, 23 September 2016, at 5:54 a.m.
      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
        Casper Van der Tak -- Friday, 23 September 2016, at 7:32 a.m.
        • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
          sebalotek -- Friday, 23 September 2016, at 8:13 a.m.
          • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
            Rick Janowski -- Friday, 23 September 2016, at 8:56 a.m.
            • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
              sebalotek -- Friday, 30 September 2016, at 7:21 a.m.
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                Jakob Garal -- Saturday, 1 October 2016, at 9:03 p.m.
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                  Bob Koca -- Saturday, 1 October 2016, at 11:33 p.m.
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                    Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 8:36 a.m.
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                      Rick Janowski -- Monday, 3 October 2016, at 6:48 a.m.
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                          Rick Janowski -- Tuesday, 4 October 2016, at 5:21 a.m.
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                                Jakob Garal -- Wednesday, 5 October 2016, at 12:03 a.m.
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                                  Casper Van der Tak -- Wednesday, 5 October 2016, at 8:34 a.m.
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                                    Jakob Garal -- Wednesday, 5 October 2016, at 9:40 a.m.
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                              Dmitriy Obukhov -- Tuesday, 4 October 2016, at 3:21 p.m.
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                                    Jakob Garal -- Wednesday, 5 October 2016, at 5:47 p.m.
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                                        Jakob Garal -- Wednesday, 5 October 2016, at 11:09 p.m.
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                                          Rick Janowski -- Wednesday, 5 October 2016, at 11:32 p.m.
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                                            Jakob Garal -- Thursday, 6 October 2016, at 8:34 a.m.
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                                          Dmitriy Obukhov -- Thursday, 6 October 2016, at 2:20 a.m.
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                              Rick Janowski -- Tuesday, 4 October 2016, at 3:24 p.m.
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                                Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 4 October 2016, at 11:21 p.m.
                • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                  Dmitriy Obukhov -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 3:49 a.m.
                  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                    Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 8:23 a.m.
                    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                      Dmitriy Obukhov -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 6:16 p.m.
                      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                        Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 7:47 p.m.
                        • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                          Dmitriy Obukhov -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 9:37 p.m.
              • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                Colin Owen -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 2:05 p.m.
                • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                  Casper Van der Tak -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 2:25 p.m.
                  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                    Bob Koca -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 9:29 p.m.
                    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                      sebalotek -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 9:52 p.m.
                      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                        Bob Koca -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 10:24 p.m.
                        • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                          sebalotek -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 11:42 p.m.
                • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                  sebalotek -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 9:37 p.m.
                  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                    Bob Koca -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 10:28 p.m.
                    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                      sebalotek -- Monday, 3 October 2016, at 8:55 a.m.
                  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                    Neil Robins -- Tuesday, 4 October 2016, at 8:31 p.m.
                    • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                      sebalotek -- Wednesday, 5 October 2016, at 6:10 p.m.
                      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                        Colin Owen -- Wednesday, 5 October 2016, at 7:15 p.m.
                        • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                          sebalotek -- Thursday, 6 October 2016, at 9:15 a.m.
              • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
                Rick Janowski -- Sunday, 2 October 2016, at 3:38 p.m.
      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
        Sean Garber -- Saturday, 24 September 2016, at 4:02 a.m.
        • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
          Sean Garber -- Saturday, 24 September 2016, at 4:07 a.m.
      • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
        Jakob Garal -- Thursday, 29 September 2016, at 4:59 p.m.
  • Why football type score tie-breaks are undesireable
    Rick Janowski -- Friday, 23 September 2016, at 3:36 p.m.
  • What is the best (fairest and most efficient) way to tie-break 4 player round robins?
    Neil Robins -- Monday, 26 September 2016, at 8:53 p.m.
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    Phil Simborg -- Friday, 30 September 2016, at 7:23 p.m.